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Törölt nick Creative Commons License 2004.01.15 0 0 67
Irakban zuhan a dollár, krízis kezd kialakulni

2004. január 15., csütörtök, 11:25|Utolsó módosítás: 2004. január 15., csütörtök, 11:32

Sosem látott mélyrepülésbe kezdett a dollár az iraki dinárral szemben Bagdadban: az amerikai fizetőeszköz értéke két nap alatt 60 százalékára csökkent, és zuhanása miatt szinte megbénult a kereskedelem az iraki fővárosban. A háború után újjáéledt vállalkozások zöme dollárra alapozta működését, és ha a mostani tendencia folytatódik a kis-, és középvállalkozások bezárhatják a kapukat, ez pedig tragikusan érintené az egyébként is a léthatáron tengődő, javarészt egy fizetésből élő családokat.

feszoj Creative Commons License 2003.04.06 0 0 66
A hős felszabadítók Bászrát szétlövik teljesen bevonulnak, majd röplapokat osztogatnak hogy Ők milyen jó fiúk. Na ehez azért pofa kell! Nem elég hogy egymást is lövik, már az Oroszkövetségi konvojt is. Most már egyre jobban drukkolok annak hogy, valaki állítsa le ezeket a BARBÁR támadókat!
meret99 Creative Commons License 2003.04.02 0 0 65
Bagdad ostroma! Lesz itt még Szaddamgrád! És partraszállnak a pakisztániak......
takacsi Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 64
Sajnos, lehet, igazad van

Csak azt kérdezem:

Miért nem fröcsög a világ és a hazai sajtó:

RASSZISTA, ANTISZEMITA USA?

Ennél eklatánsabb antiszemitizmust 50 éve nem produkált a világ.
A rasszizmus csak ott rasszizmus, ahol mi mondjuk?
(egy magyar kocsmában?)
Az antiszemitizmus csak a szemita népek egyike elleni verbális megnyilvánulás?
Lehet antiszemitizmus egy szemita nép írtása is?
Történetesen az iraki, arab szemiták kírtása.

Mocskos világ, szemét sajtója.

Előzmény: aaa99 (62)
feszoj Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 63
Na igen USA már most bejelentette igényét Iránra.Nem tudni ki a következő. De ha itt buknak talán nem lessz másik.De az is lehet hogy csorbát akarnak köszörűlni vagy itt vagy MÁSHOL(meddig mehet ez így még)Bush meg ne a tv-ben nézze a háborút hanem menjen oda!
aaa99 Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 62
Sajnos még csak nem is utolsó elötti.
Előzmény: takacsi (61)
takacsi Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 61
Radikalizálódik a társaság, ahogy a népírtás,
a rasszista, antiszemita agresszió ártatlan áldozatainak száma rohamosan nő.

Egy moral insanity világcsendőr utolsó népírtása.

feszoj Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 60
A szönyegbombázásoknak sajnos megvan a hatásuk, de azért nem kapunk képeket döntően, mert Ők is nagyon cenzúráznak minden riportot, adást. Igaz tesznek is arról, hogy a saját riportereiket megszűrjék, vagy kirúgassák állásaikból, ha nem az Ő propagandájukat közli ( meg is verik őket! ).
Előzmény: aaa99 (57)
aaa99 Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 57
Lódoktor :

Én azt gondolom hogy a beindult szőnyegbombázásoknak
megvan a hatásuk, mi csak a felszínt látjuk
pár száz lemészárolt civillel.
Ahonnan nem kapunk képeket Pl.Bagdad déli
része szerintem már ezrével halnak naponta.

Előzmény: Törölt nick (56)
feszoj Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 55
Sziasztok!
A hős felszabadítók elég rendesen lövik a gyerekeket, asszonyokat és saját békeaktivistáikat. Ez elég gáz, hogy honfitársaikra is tüzet nyitnak nem( nembeszéve az angolokról ). Az is érdekes, hogy két angol katonát hazavittek hadbíróság elé, mert nem voltak hajlandóak civilekre tüzet nyitni.
Kovarcz Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 53
Az Egyesült Államok két hete nem Irak, hanem a saját sorsát pecsételte meg.
Ebből nem mászik ki soha, egy agresszor aki morális értelemben már hulla de katonai értelemben még erős - és ezért veszélyes -, de aki a zsidó lobbi hajtotta mohóságában a saját kardjába dől.

Nézzétek meg, kik azok akik ma mindennapos terrorjukkal más népeket írtanak? A honi liberálisaink kedvenc mintaállamai, az USA és Izrael (Usrael).

Lélekben iraki vagyok.

meret99 Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 52
Akik pedig örülnek az idegeneknek, megszállóknak, azok hazaárulók!
Előzmény: scorpio rising (50)
meret99 Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 51
De nem foglalják el Bagdadot! NEM, NEM, SOHA! csak sz@rrá lövik, ahogyan azt megszoktuk tőlük!:(
Előzmény: scorpio rising (50)
scorpio rising Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 50
Mindig voltak, akik orultek az idegeneknek, megszalloknak. Amikor az orosz "felszabaditok" megszalltak hazankat, akkor is voltak, akik orultek az oroszoknak.
Persze, hogy nem allig felvegyverzett, te szerencsetlen. Elavultak a fegyvereik. Nem igaz, csusztatsz de nagyon. Nem volt haboru Kuwait teruleten, a visszavonulo Republikanus Gardat ugy lottek, mint a nyulakat, amikor Bagdad fele vonultak vissza. Elfoglaljak Bagdadot, elpusztitjak az egyik legregibb varost, mert egy olajra, hegemoniara, penzre szomjas politikai klikk ezt akarja US-ban. Nezz be erre a linkre, ha tudsz angolul:
www.whatreallyhappened.com

Csak azert, hogy okosodj.

Előzmény: math (36)
meret99 Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 49
Jó hogy nem az egész The N. Times-t másolod be!
Előzmény: scorpio rising (48)
scorpio rising Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 48


The great Iraq War lie. The pictured girl told the world under tears that she saw how Saddam Hussein's soldiers took babies out of their incubators and let them die on the cold floor.

In Novembre 1990 Bush41 told this lie to the poor soldiers.
In truth she hadn't been in Kuwait at the time. The girl was in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador in Washington, USA.

click here to search altavista for more references

Here are some texts I compiled from the internet, which will give you some clues:

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How the public relations industry sold the Gulf War to the US, the mother of all clients
Hill and Knowlton produced dozens of video news releases (VNRs) at a cost of well over half a million dollars, but it was money well spent, resulting in tens of millions of dollars worth of "free" air time. The VNRs were shown by eager TV news directors around the world who rarely (if ever) identified Kuwait's public relations (PR) firm as the source of the footage and stories. TV stations and networks simply fed the carefully-crafted propaganda to unwitting viewers, who assumed they were watching "real" journalism. After the war Arthur Rowse asked Hill & Knowlton to show him some of the VNRs, but the PR company refused. Obviously the phony TV news reports had served their purpose and it would do H&K no good to help a reporter reveal the extent of deception. In Unreliable Sources, authors Martin Lee and Norman Solomon noted that "when a research team from the communications department of the University of Massachusetts surveyed public opinion and correlated it with knowledge of basic facts about U.S. policy in the region, they drew some sobering conclusions. The more television people watched, the fewer facts they knew; and the less people knew in terms of basic facts, the more likely they were to back the Bush administration.1

Throughout the campaign, the Wirthlin Group conducted daily opinion polls to help Hill & Knowlton take the emotional pulse of key constituencies so it could identify the themes and slogans that would be most effective in promoting support for U.S. military action. After the war ended. the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation produced an Emmy award-winning TV documentary on the PR campaign titled "To Sell a War." The show featured an interview with Wirthlin executive Dee Alsop in which Alsop bragged of his work and demonstrated how audience surveys were even used to physically adapt the clothing and hairstyle of the Kuwait ambassador so he would seem more likeable to TV audiences. Wirthlin's job, Alsop explained, was "to identify the messages that really resonate emotionally with the American people." The theme that struck the deepest emotional chord, they discovered, was "the fact that Saddam Hussein was a madman who had committed atrocities even against his own people, and had tremendous power to do further damage, and he needed to be stopped."2

Every big media event needs what journalist and flacks alike refer to as "the hook." An ideal hook becomes the central element of a story that makes it newsworthy, evokes a strong emotional response, and sticks in the memory. In the case of the Gulf War, the "hook" was invented by Hill & Knowlton. In style, substance and mode of delivery, it bore an uncanny resemblance to England's World War I hearings that accused German soldiers of killing babies.

On October 10, 1990, the Congressional Human Rights Caucus held a hearing on Capitol Hill which provided the first opportunity for formal presentations of Iraqi human rights violations. Outwardly, the hearing resembled an official congressional proceeding, but appearances were deceiving. In reality, the Human Rights Caucus, chaired by California Democrat Tom Lantos and Illinois Republican John Porter, was simply an association of politicians. Lantos and Porter were co-chairs of the Congressional Human Rights Foundation, a legally separate entity that occupied free office space valued at $3,000 a year in Hill & Knowlton's Washington, DC office. Notwithstanding its congressional trappings, the Congressional Human Rights Caucus served as another Hill & Knowlton front group, which -- like all front groups -- used a noble-sounding name to disguise its true purpose.3

Only a few astute observers noticed the hypocrisy in Hill & Knowlton's use of the term "human rights." One of those observers was John MacArthur, author of The Second Front, which remains the best book written about the manipulation of the news media during the Gulf War. In the fall of 1990, MacArthur reported, Hill & Knowlton's Washington switchboard was simultaneously fielding calls for the Human Rights Foundation and for "government representatives of Indonesia, another H&K client. Like H&K client Turkey, Indonesia is a practitioner of naked aggression, having seized . . . the former Portuguese colony of East Timor in 1975. Since the annexation of East Timor, the Indonesian government was killed, by conservative estimate, about 100,000 inhabitants of the region.4

MacArthur also noticed another telling detail about the October 1990 hearings. "The Human Rights Caucus is not a committee of congress, and therefore it is unencumbered by the legal accouterments that would make a witness hesitate before he or she lied . . . Lying under oath in front of a congressional committee is a crime; lying from under the cover of anonymity to a caucus is merely public relations.5

In fact, the most emotionally moving testimony on October 10 came from a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, known only by her first name of Nayirah. According to the Caucus, Nayirah's full name was being kept confidential to prevent Iraqi reprisals against her family in occupied Kuwait. Sobbing, she described what she had seen with her own eyes in a hospital in Kuwait City. Her written testimony was passed out in a media kit prepared by Citizens for a Free Kuwait. "I volunteered at the al-Addan hospital," Nayirah said. "While I was there, I saw the Iraqi soldiers come into the hospital with guns, and go into the room where . . . babies were in incubators. They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators, and left the babies on the cold floor to die."6

from http://www.io.com/~patrik/gulfwar2.htm
see also http://www.io.com/~patrik/gulfwar1.htm

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The mother of all lies

Senator Faircloth.

OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR LAUCH FAIRCLOTH

Senator Faircloth. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I want to thank you for holding this hearing. It's necessary and it's going to serve an excellent purpose.

In the wake of the Gulf War, it is time we looked back to see what was done wrong and what was done right. We can't change what was done, but we will be accountable for what we do now.

My statement also gets to another cover-up of that conflict, not as touching as the sick veterans, but well worth a review.

The Commerce Department has a lot of questions to answer about its role leading up to the Gulf War. It is also time that we in the Banking Committee revisit a current Commerce Department nominee -- Lauri Fitz-Pegado, who played a crucial role in shaping public opinion toward U.S. involvement, and she did it by personally orchestrating perjured testimony before Congress.

Mr. Chairman, in 1990, after the Iraqi invasion of their country, the Kuwaiti government in exile formed Citizens for a Free Kuwait. They hired the lobbying firm of Hill and Knowlton to influence public opinion in this country toward entering the conflict. Lauri Fitz-Pegado was in charge of the effort.

Her strategy was to use alleged witnesses to atrocities, to tell stories of human rights violations in occupied Kuwait. Using their testimony, she orchestrated what has come to be known as the Baby Incubator Fraud.

She first coached a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, identified only at the time as Naira, to testify before Congress that she had seen Iraqi soldiers remove Kuwaiti babies from hospital respirators. Naira claimed to be a refugee who had been working as a volunteer in a Kuwaiti hospital throughout the first few weeks of the Iraqi occupation. She said that she had seen them take babies out of the incubators, take the incubators, and leave the babies ``on the cold floor to die.''

Naira's emotional testimony riveted human rights organizations, the news mediums, and the Nation. That incident was cited by six Members of the U.S. Senate as reasons to go to war with Iraq.

However, it was later discovered that the girl was in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. It turns out that Lauri Fitz-Pegado had concealed Naira's real identity. Since then, reputable human rights organizations and journalists have concluded that the baby incubator story was an outright fabrication. Every study commissioned by the Kuwaiti government could not produce a shred of evidence that the ambassador's daughter had been back in occupied Kuwait to do volunteer work in a hospital. It was a total fabrication.

Lauri Fitz-Pegado then put on a repeat performance in front of the U.S. Security Council on November 27, 1990. In the testimony before Congress, they claimed they couldn't fully identify who the witness was because they wanted to protect her family that supposedly was still trapped in Kuwait. But, in fact, they were here on Embassy Row.

In front of the United Nations, Lauri Fitz-Pegado abandoned that pretense and instead employed witnesses who testified using false names and occupations. The most important of these phony witnesses was a man who called himself Dr. Ebrahim. With Lauri Fitz-Pegado there in New York, he claimed to have personally buried 40 babies pulled from incubators by the Iraqis. Dr. Ebrahim told the Security Council that he was a surgeon. But after the war, when the scam was exposed as a total fraud, he admitted to being a dentist and had never buried any babies or seen any. More lies.

The Fitz-Pegado scam continues. Mr. Chairman, as a supporter of our country's involvement in the Gulf War, I am offended that Lauri Fitz-Pegado believes that those kinds of illegal and unethical activities were necessary to get this country to face the threat of Saddam Hussein. None of these facts and allegations were disclosed to either you, Mr. Chairman, or other Members of the Banking Committee when her nomination was voted on here.

If confirmed, Lauri Fitz-Pegado would have control over a global network of 200 trade offices in 70 countries. My opposition is based not on party or ideology. It is based on the fact that there are few people in America who have less business being in charge of our Nation's trade secrets than Lauri Fitz-Pegado.

Lauri Fitz-Pegado's nomination should be returned to the Banking Committee for further review. If it is not, then facts that are far more embarrassing to Ms. Fitz-Pegado and to others in Government will be revealed in other speeches and in long, protracted debate on the Senate floor.

Mr. Chairman, the Banking Committee was hoodwinked by a professional scam artist. Lauri Fitz-Pegado should be asked to disclose her entire past and then be prepared to defend what I believe is a totally indefensible past.

I thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I am not sure whether this is a hoax-page or what... the names of the speakers sound like hoax to me:

Senator NightHorse Campbell (I hope s/he is North American Indian!)
Lauri Fitz-Pegado ( a new racing car model!)
LAUCH FAIRCLOTH (in german "Lauch" means: "leek" )
CHRISTOPHER S. BOND (Son of James Bond)
Dr. Theodore Prociv ( Prociv Prozac ? )
Dr. John Kriese (german Krise: "crisis" )
John M. Shalikashvili ( sounds like a balkan meat-dish)
Mr. Dorn (german "spike" "prick")
Ltc. Vicki Merriman ( yippiiee )

anyway, its a good conspiracy theory and stems from http://www.chronicillnet.org/PGWS/tuite/hearings.html (315k)

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THE INCUBATOR LIE

The day after Iraq invaded Kuwait, the Kuwaitis living in the US hired the public relations firm Hill and Knowlton - a job worth $1 million a month. This was the biggest ever contract in the history of public relations to improve the image of their corrupt, oil-rich regime.

The story of how Iraqi troops, in the first days of the invasion, went into Al-Adan hospital, tore the sick babies from incubators and left them on the cold floor to die was graphically told to Congress on November 1990 before the crucial vote to send US troops (passed by about 5 votes).

What the audience didn't know however was that the 15-year old girl who made the moving, tearful testimony was none other than Niyirah al-Sabah - daughter of the US Ambassador to Kuwait. She had allegedly worked as a volunteer in the maternity ward of the hospital. But nurses who live in the two story white building opposite the hospital in Kuwait City claimed that they had never seen the girl before in their life.

The entire move towards the Gulf War had thus been motivated by a blatant lie. The girl had been "trained" by Hill and Knowlton. The renowned international human rights group Amnesty International took out full-page newspaper spreads to publicise the babies incident. It had unwittingly (and not for the first time) transformed itself from a charity to a propaganda tool. Andrew Whitley of Middle East Watch described the story as a fabrication but it took months for the truth to come out. President Bush mentioned the incubator incident in five of his speeches and seven senators referred to them in speeches backing a pro-war resolution.

Highly exaggerated reports of thousands of deaths were accepted uncritically, as the PR firm using Kuwaiti contacts inside the country smuggled 24 videotapes to a hungry, unquestioning and gullible mass media.

From http://hydraulix.bangor.ac.uk/nus/islam/pages/reports/gulf.html

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and finally, here is a quite bizarre write-up, real fundamentalist christian loonie stuff, but it is worth a read ...
... understand the importance of technology to the forces of Anti-Christ. New Age writers are quite bold in their plans to deceive the peoples of the world into believing in Maitreya as the Christ. The boldest publication of these Plans is in a book by Peter Lemesurier, The Armageddon Script. Lemesurier states, on page 236, "...even during the Exodus itself, the semi-legendary Cloud of the Presence may, like the equally-legendary pillar of fire and smoke...have been some kind of technological phenomenon. Certainly, therefore, the use of such special effects should not be ruled out on this occasion [the appearance of Maitreya the Christ]. The world's news-media can be counted upon to do the rest."

In other words, the world's news media would occupy an important role in convincing the peoples of the world that Maitreya is the Christ and is worthy of worship and obedience. When I first read these words of The Armageddon Script, I believed that Lemesurier was merely counting on the natural aggressiveness of the world's news media to contribute to the believability of Maitreya the Christ. After I share this following information with you, however, I am sure you will agree with my assessment that the owners of the mass media will be active participants in the Plan of Deception concerning Maitreya the Christ.

NEWS BRIEF: TV Guide, February 22-28, 1992, "Fake News", "Over the last few years, fake news has grown into big business. Every day PR (Public Relations) pros supply the country's 700-plus local TV outlets and the national net-works with news-like reports and features...Most material... arrives as a 'video news release (VNR)'. This is a collection of pictures and words, delivered free of charge by satellite or cassette, which usually includes everything from background shots that can be edited into a story to a fully produced piece ready to air."

In other words, these 'Video News Releases' (VNR'S) are not spontaneous news which has been recorded, nor is it on-scene news reporting; rather, it is carefully planned and executed acting, designed to look like spontaneous news. TV stations, both national and local, are running these VNR'S as though they were really news, even to the point of showing the TV logo at the bottom of the screen during the time of transmission. And viewers are being deceived.

There are many types of VNR's currently being utilized:

Private companies, such as General Mills, advertising their products, or introducing new products.
Sporting events
Disney World issues many VNR's.
Pharmaceutical companies
Hollywood promotional clips for new films
How often are TV stations and networks using VNR's? "Roughly 80% of the country's news directors acknowledge that they employ VNR material at least several times a month ...If anything, this statistic probably understates how commonly the PR-produced material airs...newscasters may carry a piece produced by someone else, without knowing that the original story included VNR footage." (p. 16, 26). This incredible information means that VNR material is being passed off as spontaneous news or as journalism produced by the network every evening of the week!! We are being lied to every day by our newscasters.

However, we would be only outraged that TV stations and networks would violate the trust which we have given them;

(oops, the author is a lunatic ! ... the webmaster)
we would not become alarmed as to a possible threat to our freedoms because Government is not getting into the act.

Right? Wrong!!!

This article continues to expose the ways in which the Government is utilizing VNR's to deceive us. First, several campaigns for President are creating VNR's which are then passed off by the TV networks as spontaneous news. Presidential Candidates Bill Clinton and Bob Kerry are singled out as using VNR's. Thus, these professionally produced mini-films are being used to pervert our election process. The situation is becoming serious. Then, the TV Guide editors really hit close to home.

"President Bush...recently hired former Nightline executive producer Dorrance Smith to handle his media. Since then, Bush has gone to the skies to conduct interviews with TV stations in New Hampshire, Los Angeles, and New York, among other places." (p. 16). Our elected President, with whom we have collectively entrusted our lives, is now utilizing fake news to deceive us. We have been warning you for months that the Bible ...

( oops ... they are bible bashers ... holy cow ! .. the webmaster )

... pointedly tells us that deception will be the hallmark sign of the End of the Age, and that the appearance of Anti-Christ ...

( The Ahriman, Beelzebub, AntiChrist and Satan Hussein, holy moly, aint dis da truth ... now we're talking ... its becoming amusing !! .. the webmaster )
... will be accompanied by the lie that the world is going to experience Peace and Safety. We have also been warning you that President Bush is not to be trusted, that he is very different in his heart than he is on the carefully-prepared media surface. But, finally, Bush cannot be trusted because he is an adept in the Satanic Secret Society, Skull and Bones, a Brotherhood of Death Society on the par with the Thule Society in which Adolf Hitler trained.

( sounds fantastic, but sadly, these are rants based on reality. But lets read on... its somewhat entertaining ... .. the webmaster )

But, this article shares an even more damaging piece of information as to how President Bush and his Administration has utilized this new technique of Video News Release (VNR). "...Some portions of the Persian Gulf war effort were stage-managed in an effort to rally public opinion for military action against Iraq." (p. 11).

Several examples of this manipulation of public opinion on behalf of the war effort were offered:

(1). ABC's 20/20 and CBS's 60 Minutes showed "coverage" of an emotional hearing before Congress by an anonymous Kuwaiti refugee girl. This girl testified that Iraqi soldiers had stormed Kuwaiti hospitals and seized incubators to be shipped back to Iraq. In many instances, these incubators were occupied by Kuwaiti newborn babies. These Iraqi soldiers threw these babies out of the incubators, thus dooming them to death. President Bush used this incident in several of his speeches to create public support for his war plans. The terrifying truth with this testimony is that this poor refugee girl was the daughter of Kuwait's ambassador to the U.S., and that her entire testimony "had, in fact, been rehearsed before video cameras". By whom were these manufactured films created? By a public-relations firm named Hill and Knowlton, whose director was Craig Fuller, former chief of staff to George Bush when he was Vice-President.

(2). Kuwaiti refugees shared stories with the news media concerning Iraqi atrocities. "Those with the most compelling tales -- and the ones most in keeping with the agenda of Hill and Knowlton's client -- were made available to news organizations, thus limiting journalist's ability to independently assess claims of brutalities. Indeed, the PR firm's operatives were given free reign to travel unescorted throughout Saudi Arabia, while journalists were severely restricted." (p. 12).

At this point, we must realize that the American military had created these severe restrictions on journalists. Therefore, the special treatment of film crews for the Video News Release organizations had to come from the same American military. And who is the Commander of the American military? President George Bush.

This article lists several more instances in which this type of professional film making was utilized to manipulate American public opinion. Outright lies were told, to the full knowledge of many in our Federal Government, including Congress, and not one elected or appointed Governmental official told the truth.

Ain't that the truth ;-) ... the webmaster
We believe this is precisely what will occur during the appearance of the Anti-Christ.

Aaaaahhh ... now come on ... How can the Anti-Christ be any worse? Will he be a kind of evil Hulk Hogan that single-handedly strangles all the good and honest people? ;-) ... the webmaster
Both TV networks and Governmental officials across the world will knowingly cooperate to manipulate public opinion, to convince the peoples of the world that Maitreya is who he will claim to be and that he is worthy to be worshipped. The sudden appearance of this duplicity by present Governmental officials is just one more sign that the Great Tribulation is very close.

from http://www.cuttingedge.org/ce1016.html

Well, sadly there are MANY people in the USA (patriot militia types) that believe the Anti-christ stuff and that the United Nations is the enemy and that Bush want a World government, and all that utter utter nonsense. These people have a sense that something is very wrong, that they have been lied to massively and the mostly holy rules of the United States of America, the amendments to the constitution are ignored. (try free expression of opinion in wartime.)
These people are rightfully angry. But arming yourself is not the way to go. How about voting for Ralph Nader? Or better, organise yourselves and run the municipalities by free agreement amongst equals. Local Councils do most of the investment. Visit Germany where much of this was already achieved (3 years paid parental leave by law!).

Read and listen to Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, John Ralston Saul and Micheal Parenti, and use alternative currencies (read Lietaer) and you will see how beautiful things can run, if the values and the power stays where YOU are.

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Back to the topic at hand:
More recently the same 'Public Relations' Agency Hill & Knowlton was hired by the KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army). Imagine if the Taliban had used the services of this PR company.

...meanwhile, back at the farm ...

You MUST read Chomsky
and certainly hear this from here.
The truth about the war in Afghanistan is simple: The unelected USA-rulers (Corporations, Banks, General Electric etc) want Turkmenistan Afghanistan Pakistan-pipeline Oil profits. Otherwise the Caspian Oil profits will be under control of Iran, Russia or China.
Afghanistan Pipeline Map (read this Article) ... Kosovo Mazedonia Pipeline Map (Article)
More information: here and here ...

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Knill and Holton Holl and Knilton Nilton Holton Nolton Noltan Noll Hilton Knolton Nollton Nolltn Noltn Bill and Bolten Bolton anarchrist anarchist capitalism marxist marxism ... Oh baby blue ... What do you read the source-code for? Well, you probably can think properly like a human should ... try this:
Everything that lives, does so under the
categorical condition of decisively interfering
in the life of someone else....
To do away with this reciprocal influence is tantamount
to death. And in demanding the freedom of the masses
we do not intend to do away with natural influences to
which man is subjected by individuals and groups.
All we want is to do away with is factitious legitimized
influences, to do away with the privileges
in exerting influence."

Michael Bakunin

meret99 Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 47
Az iraki filmesek már készülnek új, a Nagy Honvédő Háború hősies kűzdelmeit bemutató filmjeikre! Az első a Zsurbin csal....jaj bocs mellé néztem!, tehát "Akbar belép a Bath pártba" c.-mel! Oszkárra is számíthat!
takacsi Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 46
MTI:

IRAKI MÉRLEG A SZÖVETSÉGESEK VESZTESÉGEIRŐL

Az iraki fegyveres erők szóvivőjének kedd reggeli közlése szerint az iraki erők súlyos veszteségeket okoztak az amerikai-angol támadóknak Bászra dél-iraki város közelében, az ország középső részén lévő Nedzsefnél pedig kilőttek hét harckocsit, amelyek teljes személyzete életét vesztette.

Mint a Reuters megjegyezte, független forrásból nem lehet megerősíteni ezeket az adatokat, de az biztos, hogy azok ellentmondanak a koalíciós erők által közölt hivatalos veszteséglistában foglaltakkal.

"Az amerikai és a brit erők súlyos veszteségeket szenvedtek Bászrától délre, Abu al-Haszib falunál. Az ellenséges katonák holttestei továbbra is ott hevernek a csatamezőn" - mondta az iraki állami televízióban egy katonai szóvivő. Hozzátette: "az agresszorokkal" a kormányzó Baasz Párt fegyveres aktivistái, valamint más, félkatonai csoportok tagjai vették fel a harcot. (A britek katonai szóvivője egy brit katona elvesztését ismerte el az éjszaka folyamán.)

Egy másik iraki katonai szóvivő ugyancsak a televízióban azt közölte, hogy a Fidáíjín Szaddám milícia fegyveresei az ország középső részén Nedzsef külvárosaiban összecsaptak amerikai egységekkel, és " kilőttek hét harckocsit, valamint több katonai járművet, megölve az azokon tartózkodókat".

Az al-Dzsazíra arab hírtelevízió a Nemzetközi Vöröskereszt forrásaira hivatkozva azt közölte, hogy Bászrában a háború kezdete óta az Irak-ellenes koalíció hadműveletei következtében 159 iraki polgári lakos vesztette életét és több mint ezer megsebesült. Más forrásokból az al-Dzsazíra úgy tudja, hogy a városnál harcoló brit elit alakulatoknak kedd reggelig sem sikerült megtörniük az iraki fegyveres erők ellenállását, így továbbra sem tudtak behatolni a városba.

Ugyanakkor Násziríja városában és környékén változatlanul heves harcok folynak, amelyekben iraki részről nemcsak katonák, hanem felfegyverzett polgári személyek és a Baasz Párt aktivistái is részt vesznek - közölte kedden kora délelőtt a bagdadi televízióban az iraki fegyveres erők képviselője.

takacsi Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 45
Nemcsak az a kérdés, hogy az irakiak hogyan viselkednek majd, hanem, mivel ez egy rasszista, antiszemita (végre igaz a szó) háború, egy másik civilizáció ellenes háború, kérdés az arab és muzulmán világ mit csinál majd.
Báb vezetőiket könnyedén elsöpörheti egy mozgalom.
Amerika talán soha nem nyeri vissza a világ szimpátiáját.
Ennek az agressziónak van egy ilyen aspektusa is.
Előzmény: Törölt nick (27)
eMM Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 44
bekopyzom amit anno írtam a cikis topikba,mert ideillik.

eMM válasz erre | adatok | e-mail 2003-03-26 10:40:53 (28811)

"Irak nem valami fair ebben a játékban" nyilatkozta az imént egy nagyon szakértő úr.(Botz László tábornok a katonai felderítő hivatal volt vezetője)
Na most akkor ez nem egy háború?
Tán most jönnek rá az amik hogy ez még sem játék?
Amikor rajtuk csattan az ostor?
Mert vannak, lesznek amerikai soksok áldozatok is?
Hogy nem csak az ellenség lesz szitává lőve?
Én igazán nem szeretem Husszein úr rendszerét,de ha az amik most kapnak a fejükre azt megérdemlik.
Csak azt sajnálom hogy ifj.Bush úr nem tartózkodik a tűzvonalban.
A papája legalább frontkatona volt.
És vajon Botz úr mennyi dollárt kapott ezért az okosságért a 15 millió dolláros segélyből?(fejpénzből, amit kapunk majd mert parírozunk)
Meg a TV1?(mtv ugyi)
Hánynom kell ettől a szemlélettől, szerintük dollárért még az igazság is megvehető.

Ez a ciki nem a faláb.


meret99 Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 43
Csak egy baj van, hogy most már amerika csak vesztesen léphet ki a háborúból és ezt nem tudják elviselni, főleg az olajveszteséget nem! Tipikus Mr. Majestic eset! szerintem inkább Holywood ellen kéne hábirúzni és akkor nem születnék annyi josoló film! Érdekes, pedig a legtöbb jó rendező zsidó és főleg a producerek! Jobb jósok, mint Nostradamus!
scorpio rising Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 42
Nemetorszag elleni haboru igazsagos volt. Egy agresszor allamnak a naci rezsimjet pusztitottak el. S persze sok artatlant. De ez a haboru velejaroja. Irak viszont senkit nem tamadott meg!!!! Az Obol-haboru utan kivonult Kuwaitbol. S ne a masodik vilaghaborun lovagolj, annak mar regen vege van, s nem ertem, hogy jon ide. Amerika akkor igazsagos haboruban vett reszt. Most nem. Igy jo?
Előzmény: math (38)
meret99 Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 41
Csakhogy előbb bukik meg Bush, mint Szaddam! Még az amnerikai népet sem lehet 15 napnál hosszabb ideig az orránál fogva vezetni! A világ legalább 90%-a elítéli a háborút!
Előzmény: math (37)
eMM Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 40
Jogos háború mint olyan nem is nagyon létezik.
Mert a második VH.óta főleg a civilek szenvednek,halnak meg milliószám, azok a civilek akik nem is akartak harcolni csak békében ülni othon,és még visszalőniük sincs mivel.
Előzmény: math (34)
scorpio rising Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 39
Szenvedett, igen. Foleg az oroszok megszallta reszen. De ezt nem mondtak el neked. Mert nem tudtak. Berlin elfoglalasanak ejszakajan 80 000 not eroszakoltak meg az oroszok, masnap reggelre 4000 ongyilkos lett. Ez nem volt szenvedes? A nagy US szovetsege, az orosz ugy viselkedett, mint az allat. Kitol szabaditotta meg Nemetorszagot? Hitlertol? Ugyan. Nem kertek ra, vagy igen? S ha igen, akkor ki? USA-nak megoldas volt a haboru, a Marshall terv ugye, adunk neked kolcson penzt, ebbol vehetsz amerikai arukat, s ha helyrejossz gazdasagfilag, a kolcsont termeszetesen visszafizeted. USA Nemetorszag hegemoniajatol felt. Nem siette el a belepest a haboruba, megvarta, amig az orosz elegge kiverzik.Persze, hogy nem a nemet nepert harcoltak... Uzlet. Most sem az arab nepert harcolnak Irakban. Bush-t nem erdekli az arab orszagok nepe. Izrael nepe annal inkabb a sziveben van. Ha egy front atlepi az orszagnak a kuszobet, akkor honvedo haboru, ha tetszik, ha nem. Meg akkor is, ha Nemetorszag kezdte a haborut masok ellen.
Előzmény: math (34)
math Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 38
scorpio:

>tehat nem "Mindenki altal szemmel lathato". >supan szerinted igy van.

>nemcsak Sumer szerint, nincs igazad, szerintem
>is, es masok szerint is szemmel lathato mi >folyik ott.

az, hogy mi folyik ott, az szemmel lathato, persze. :) egyesek szerint jogos, masok szerint jogtalan. az, hogy jogos vagy jogtalan nem szemmel lathato. Sumer olyan erveket hozott fel, ami arrol sozlt,h ogy o szerinte mi lesz a folytatas. en meg, hogy szeritnem nem. Sumer azzal ervelt, hogy ez nem teny, hanem csak szerintem van igy, en ezt visszaorditottam: akkor az sem teny, amit o mond, hanem az az o vizioja.

> Egy igazsagtalan haboru. Akik nemcsak az
>amerikai CNN-t es az amcsi propagandat nezik,
>hanem masra is figyelnek.
figyelem az iraki sajtominisztert, es a Deutsche Wellet-t (Nemet!). a BBC bemondja az Al-Dzsazira hireit. az eleg?

> Az elpuszitott kulturara, a megolt
>artatlanokra, a halott gyermemekre, az amcsi
>iraki ausztral es brit katonakra, a humanunra,
>az erkolcsre. Sokan vannak, vagyunk, hidd el.
meg egyszer kerdezem. ugyanez nem volt a Nemetorszag elleni amsodik vilaghaboruban hatvanyozottan jelen? meg egyszer kerdezem. az a haboru igazsagtalan volt?

Előzmény: scorpio rising (35)
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meret:
>Iraknak esze ágában sem volt Kuwait után bárkit >is megtámadni! Politikailag meg lehetett volna
>oldani a dolgot, de legalább is azt elérni, hogy
>Szaddam senkire se legyen veszélyes! Szerintem
>nem is volt az 10 éve! Most azonban fel lett
>ébresztve az oroszlán!
Saddamot csak haborus fenyegetessel lehetett kordaban tartani. ha most nem valtjak be a fenyegetest, egy ido utan azon is csak rohogott volna.
Saddam az elmult obol haboru ota is kovetett el bunoket, szegi meg a megallapodasokat, probalkozik, amennyire engedik. koltseges, veszelyes, es ertelmetlen lett volna tovabb kordaban tartani. meg kellett mar buktatni!
Előzmény: meret99 (32)
math Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 36
scorpio:

>otthon ulnek, mert felnek a milicistaktol, >probaljak meguszni a haborut". Hehe, tudtommal
>mar sok helyseget elfoglaltak a "felszabaditok",
>megsem ujjonganak ertuk. Pedig mar tehetnek.
van, ahol tehetik es orulnek is.

"Irakiak százai üdvözölték "Welcome to Iraq" kiáltásokkal azokat az amerikai tengerészgyalogosokat, akik - az Independent tudósítása szerint - hétfőnb elfoglalták Satra városát. "
http://index.hu/politika/kulfold/irakdosszie/haborupp
9:14


>Ha csak par tizezer milicista meg partember van
>kinnt, akkor egy szuperteljesitmeny toluk, hogy
>ezt az allig felfegyverzett Golemet kordaban
>tartja;-)))
az iraki nep azert nem allig felfegyverzett, nezzel mar iraki riportokat, altalaban teljesen kozonseges emberek elnek ott, akar csak Nyiregyhazan. oreg nenik, viszik a tojasokat, mennek a vizert, stb.

> Hogy jon ide Hitler meg a suket duma? Ki mondta
>azt, hogy Nemetorszag haboruja honvedo volt.
>Senki. De Irak az orszaga hatarait vedi.
>Nemetorszag tamado haborut viselt, s ebbe bukott
>bele. Irak viszont kivonta csapatait Kuwait-bol
>az elso Obol-haboruban.
nem kivonta, hanem visszavertek. azt a haborut fejezik most be az amerikaiak rendesen. akkor el kellett volna foglalni Bagdadot, elmulasztottak, most megteszik.

Előzmény: scorpio rising (29)
scorpio rising Creative Commons License 2003.04.01 0 0 35
Az most már mindenki által szemmel látható, hogy az iraki nép nagyon nem kíván a birodalom által "felszabadulni". Hogyhogy nem, kőkeményen harcolnak a "felszabadítók" ellen. Ettől kezdve az a farizeus szöveg, hogy ez csak egy Husszein elleni háború, tökéletesen lelepleződött. "

tehat nem "Mindenki altal szemmel lathato". csupan szerinted igy van.

Nemcsak Sumer szerint, nincs igazad, szerintem is, s masok szerint is szemmel lathato mi folyik ott. Egy igazsagtalan haboru. Akik nemcsak az amerikai CNN-t es az amcsi propagandat nezik, hanem masra is figyelnek. Az elpuszitott kulturara, a megolt artatlanokra, a halott gyermemekre, az amcsi iraki ausztral es brit katonakra, a humanunra, az erkolcsre. Sokan vannak, vagyunk, hidd el.

Előzmény: math (33)
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eMM:

>>masreszt, meg ha irak nepe kiallna is Saddam >>mellett. Hitler mellett talan nem alltak ki a
>>nemetek tobbsegben? az honvedo haboru volt? nem
>>volt jogos a szovetsegesek haboruja akkor?

>De "jogos" volt hogy az orosz hordák
>felprédálták, erőszakolták fél Németországot.(ja
>és mellesleg bennünket is)

hgy ne menjunk el a temaval a kommunizmus kerdesebe, legyunk 1944-ben, a Rajna partjan. jonnek az amerikaiak. kimesz-e az utcara, hogy "NO WAR IN GERMANY" "YANKEES GO HOME"?
mondod-e, hogy:
-a nemet nep fog szenvedni ettol.
- az USA megszallni nem felszabaditani akarja nemetorszagot (NSZK).
-a haboru nem megoldas!
- a haboru a nemet gazdasagert, a nyugat europai hatalomert folyik, nem a nemet nepert
- a nemet nep (szent) honvedo haborut viv.

?!?! es vegul.

helyesnek tartod-e azt, hogy az amerikai csapatok atelepjek a Rajnat, vagy nem?

Előzmény: eMM (28)

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