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Törölt nick Creative Commons License 2004.02.07 0 0 342
Hát igen, így megy ez, ahogy az ember halad előre az Élet Országútján, egyre több dologról mondhatja el, hogy "megvolt", hahaha nagyon jó, :-))) Kagylót csak sznobok esznek, ne szokjál rá
Előzmény: bagiorsi (341)
bagiorsi Creative Commons License 2004.02.07 0 0 341
Köszi, tisztában vagyok vele.

De nem nyomtam playbackről csak a zenéje ment cédéről, mert egy egész zenekart nem vihettem magammal, de a hang az saját hamisítatlan original Bagi Orsolya volt élőben a 12. béből csak ott csak nekik stb.
A cigi meg nem vicces volt, szofi lájt és csak egyet szívtam, nem tüdőztem le és nem lett tőle jó kedvem,de most már elmondhtaom, hogy ez is megvolt. Ja és kagylót is ettem aznap este először életemben. Az meg kifejezetten undorító volt.

Előzmény: Törölt nick (340)
Törölt nick Creative Commons License 2004.02.07 0 0 340
Ja, amúgy meg gratulálok, fontos állomás ez az Élet Országútján
Előzmény: Törölt nick (339)
Törölt nick Creative Commons License 2004.02.07 0 0 339
- aláfestő zene? Playbackről nyomtad?
- először úgy olvastam, hogy "hazajöttünk Nyergesre és piáztunk", már kezdtem örülni
- ha a barátnőd cigijétől úgy érezted, hogy elindulsz lefelé a lejtőn, akkor az nem hagyományos cigi lehetett, inkább ilyen "vicces", ahogy a drog-szlengben mondják
Előzmény: bagiorsi (338)
bagiorsi Creative Commons License 2004.02.07 0 0 338
Válaszaim:
- igen azt énekeltem, bár nagyon szívesen énekeltem volna végre valami mást, de ehhez sikerült aláfestő-zenét szereznem, úgyhogy maradt.
-nem, nem rúgtam be, hamar a távozás díszes mezejére léptem, mert disco-zenét nyomtak és tudjátok, hogy tőlem elég távol áll ez a stílus, ehhelyett hazajöttünk Nyergesre és pizzáztunk.
Viszont, hogy valami züllött dolgot is mondjak azért magamról: fellépés előtt, mikor még pangás volt, négyen átmentünk billiárdozni a szomszéd "vendéglőbe" és billiárdoztam (vagy ezt egy ellel írják?) és amikor az egyik barátnőm következett, a kezembe nyomta a cigijét és én meg beleszívtam, bizony életemben először...érzem elindultam lefelé a lejtőn. (de megnyugodhattok, nem fogok rászokni). Ezenkívül lejátszattam a zenegéppel a Come Together-t.
-tudom, meglepő, de a matrózblúz alatt a bőrömet viseltem, tehát ebbe sikerült az igazgató néninek beleszúrnia a biztosítótűt két alkalommal, ennek kövezkeztében kissé az arcomra fagyott a mosoly, de már túl vagyok rajta köszönöm kérdésed.

Egyébként most hozta a megyei hírlapot a könyvtáros néni, és címlapon vagyunk, engem mondjuk pont eltakar az igazgató, de néhány osztálytársam látható a képen.

Előzmény: Törölt nick (337)
Törölt nick Creative Commons License 2004.02.07 0 0 337
Kérdéseim:
- az It's only love-ot énekelted?
- jól berúgtál legalább?
- ha nem a matrózblúzod, akkor mi van erős anyagból?
Előzmény: bagiorsi (336)
bagiorsi Creative Commons License 2004.02.07 0 0 336
Hát tudod, most már én is remekül eltáncoltam, amit kellett, tök jók voltunk, és énekeltem újfent, természetesen Beatles-t és a bemondó lány azt mondta rólam előtte, hogy lehet, hogy megasztár leszek, és utána az a tanárom is megdicsért, aki egyébként utálja a Beatles-t. Egyébként teljesen profi volt minden és mindenki, bár a másik osztály közösen énekelte Yesterdayt, miközben mi a háttérben készülődtünk és elég nehezen tudtak lecsitítani az osztálytársaim, hogy ne "jellemezzem" már olyan hangosan a kiejtésüket, meg az előadásmódjukat, igen borzalmas volt meg kell mondjam őszintén. De a lényeg, hogy most már nekem is van szalagom, igaz majdnem elhagytam még aznap este, annak ellenére, hogy igencsak megszenvedtem érte, mivel az igazgató néni kétszer is belémállította a biztosítótűt, mire észrevette, hogy nem a matrózblúzom van ilyen erős anyagból.
Előzmény: Törölt nick (335)
Törölt nick Creative Commons License 2004.02.05 0 0 335
Hogyispersze. Én remekül eltáncoltam amit kellett. Tehetségem és érzékem van hozzá.
Előzmény: bagiorsi (334)
bagiorsi Creative Commons License 2004.02.05 0 0 334
Netán tapasztalatból beszélsz?
Előzmény: Törölt nick (333)
Törölt nick Creative Commons License 2004.02.05 0 0 333
Fuhúúú... Erre nincs mentség. Egyébként illő lenne aludnod egy kicsit, mert ha nem pihened ki magad, elesel tánc közben, és 3000 ember röhög majd rajtad.
Előzmény: bagiorsi (332)
bagiorsi Creative Commons License 2004.02.05 0 0 332
Jó, jó, jó oké, észrevettem, hülye vagyok na! Ez azért van, mert holnap lesz a szalagavatóm és három napja alig alszom.
Nézzétek el!
Előzmény: Törölt nick (330)
bagiorsi Creative Commons License 2004.02.05 0 0 331
Asztaaa! De hülye vagyok! Az előbbi hozzászólásomat felejtsétek el! Fogjuk arra, hogy még nincs meg az írásbelim angolból!
Előzmény: bagiorsi (329)
Törölt nick Creative Commons License 2004.02.05 0 0 330
A topikindító.
Előzmény: bagiorsi (329)
bagiorsi Creative Commons License 2004.02.05 0 0 329
Egyébként lehet, hogy én vagyok alulművelt, de ki a chicagoi blues ura?
Előzmény: Törölt nick (327)
bagiorsi Creative Commons License 2004.02.05 0 0 328
Na látod ez nem is egy elveszett ötlet! Megbeszéled bele?
Előzmény: Törölt nick (327)
Törölt nick Creative Commons License 2004.02.05 0 0 327
Mi volna, ha a chicagoi blues ura felolvasná és föltenné ide mp3-ban? Az volna a tuti.
Előzmény: bagiorsi (326)
bagiorsi Creative Commons License 2004.02.04 0 0 326
Jó. Akkor légyszíves most közöld az előbbi hozzászólásokat nekünk magyar fordításban, mert nekem nincs kedvem ennyit művelődni. Tudod, jóból is megárt a sok.
Előzmény: R_R (325)
R_R Creative Commons License 2004.02.03 0 0 325
Aztamindenit!!!
Ebbe a topikba én már csak művelődni járok...
lordofthechicagoblues Creative Commons License 2004.01.30 0 0 324
It was then we started dreaming of a future in show business. Before that, we hadn't dared to think about one. Unfortunately, though, the Nurk Twins didn't altogether catch on, and we felt we'd do much better in a larger group rather than as a duo. So we started and finished several groups until we got one together that had the beginnings of a new sound.

By then George had joined us, and so had a pal of ours, who is now dead, Stuart Sutcliffe. We began to do well as semi-pros. Then one day our big break came with an offer to appear at The Star Club in Hamburg. This is a kind of super-Cavern, where just about everyone who is anyone on the Liverpool scene has played at some time or another.

On our first visit there, George became very interested in the frauleins, and learned to speak their language in a fantastically quick time. I think by the way Paul's eyes kept flashing, he too liked the German girls, but me, I had different ideas. My girl was at home in Liverpool. I'd met her one day and we'd suddenly fallen in love. A little while later, we were married. I love her. As I'm away such a lot, she lives with Aunt Mimi. I'd like to tell you more about her, but I've this old-fashioned idea that marriage is a private thing, too precious to be publicly discussed. So forgive me and understand.

As I was saying, we appeared at the Star Club three times. The second time, another group were on the same bill, and we were all very taken with the style of their drummer. He had a special feel for his rhythm, and was the greatest drummer we'd ever seen perform. His name of course, was Ringo Starr.

We didn't get to talk to him during that show, and it wasn't until a few months after, back in Liverpool, that we actually met him. After our first visit to Hamburg we came home without Stuart Sutcliffe, because he had decided to stay in Germany permanently. It was a sad blow to us when we heard of his sudden death.

When we were in Germany we thought up the title Beatles, but the Germans couldn't pronounce it, so they called us the Beat Boys and it wasn't until we tied up with Ringo that we officially joined the ranks of the creepy crawlies.

lordofthechicagoblues Creative Commons License 2004.01.30 0 0 323
The FBI Papers: Lennon & the IRA
By Brian Rohan
The Irish Voice News
Federal Bureau of Investigation files released last week indicate that the agency investigated links between former Beatle John Lennon and New York-based Irish activists in the 1970s.
The papers include an undercover agent's account of a February 6, 1972, meeting at the Irish Institute on W. 48th Street, seven days after the 'Bloody Sunday' shooting deaths by the British Army of 13 unarmed demonstrators.
The FBI agent recorded details of the meeting, which included a proposal for procuring weapons for the IRA, another calling for the boycott of British goods, and the offer of assistance from Lennon for an upcoming demonstration. "A March 1 or March 4 action date was proposed," recorded the anonymous FBI agent. "The SWP [Socialist Workers Party] people called for a mass demonstration. It was announced that JOHN LENNON had offered entertainment." The rally would occur sooner than expected, as Lennon appeared with wife Yoko Ono at a Manhattan rally organized by the Transit Workers Union the next day -- February 7, 1972. The two performed Lennon's 'The Luck of the Irish,' written in reaction to Bloody Sunday.
The documents are part of a 300-page Lennon file which the FBI resisted releasing since the singer's death in December, 1980. Eighty pages were released in a court settlement last week with Professor Jon Wiener, a California-based Lennon biographer. Wiener says the release includes "the first solid evidence" that the FBI had an interest in Lennon's involvement in Irish issues.
"Previous to last week, I was not aware of the FBI's connecting Irish activists to Lennon in New York," said Wiener, a University of California professor and author of 1984's Come Together: John Lennon in His Time (Univ. of Illinois Press).
Wiener says a further ten documents still held by the FBI were "almost definitely" compiled with the British intelligence agency, MI5, regarding in part Lennon's involvement in early-'Troubles' activities. "There are 10 documents which remain outstanding," said Wiener. "The FBI says they are national security documents which originated with a foreign government, and they won't tell the name of the foreign government. My lawyers and I think it's the British government, and probably has something to do with surveillance of Lennon's political activities as well as his arrest for possession of hashish in 1968."
Wiener listed as most prominent of those political activities Lennon's association with activists protesting Northern Ireland's policy of internment without trial, at the outbreak of the early-1970s 'Troubles.' "The most famous incident was Lennon's attendance at an anti-internment rally in London in August, 1971," said Wiener. "There's a photograph of Lennon holding a sign that read, 'Victory for the IRA Against British Imperialism.'"
The singer moved to New York shortly after that incident, where he took up with political activists on many issues. When asked how he reconciled his support for nonviolence with his apparent sympathy for the IRA, Lennon pointed out his heritage and the choosing of a lesser evil. "I don't know how I feel about [the IRA], because I understand why they're doing it," said Lennon, in a post-Bloody Sunday interview. "If it's a choice between the IRA and the British Army, I'm with the IRA. But if it's a choice between violence and non-violence, I'm with non-violence. So it's a very delicate line."
Wiener says the Irish-related parts of last week's release -- copies of which have been obtained by the Irish Voice -- come from the FBI's "Irish file." The documents indicate the FBI's concern that socialist radicals were infiltrating Irish groups in New York.
"Members of the Socialist Workers Party were present, and they came into the meeting as a unit," wrote the FBI operative, speaking of the February 6, 1972 meeting of the "committee against internment in Northern Ireland" at the now-defunct Irish Institute, at 326 W. 48th Street.
"A speaker from the floor asked that the purpose of the body be amended to include support for the Irish Republican Army in money and even in guns. This motion wasn't even accepted by the chair, and the gentleman declared he would leave the meeting.
"A steering committee was set up after much discussion and argumentation," the agent continued. "The original committee contained two representatives from the following clubs: Irish Republican Clubs, Northern Aid Committee, National Association for Irish Freedom, and the American Committee for Ulster Justice."
The agent reported a proposals calling for British businesses to be "harassed." That same week, Lennon and Ono protested outside the British Overseas Airway Corporation on Fifth Avenue, during a protest organized by the Transit Workers Union.
"The police were particularly cooperative as most of them were Irish," joked Lennon, reading from a prepared statement at the rally. "The meeting was a great meeting and it got lots of media coverage. The weather was freezing cold."
Lennon and Ono sang his new song, which had as its main chorus, "If you had the luck of the Irish/ You'd wish you were English instead." The song was released later that year, not long after his former writing partner, Paul McCartney, released 'Give Ireland Back to the Irish.' Both songs were banned by the BBC.
The purpose of the meeting was to show solidarity with the people who are going to march tomorrow in Northern Ireland," said Lennon at the Manhattan rally. "Representatives of the IRA spoke, including some secret leaders who had flown in especially for the meeting, considering its importance to try and awaken the American Irish, who are rather middle-class." Referring to his ancestry, Lennon told the crowd, "My name is Lennon and you can guess the rest." He added that his native Liverpool was "80% Irish." Frank Durkan, a New York attorney active in the Irish Institute at the time, told the Irish Voice he had no contact with Lennon but that he was aware of his involvement. "There were meetings all over the place in those days," said Durkan.
Those named as attending the Irish Institute meeting are mainly SWP members, clearly the FBI's major interest at the time. "Mary Cotter" is the only Irish Institute person listed, and the FBI noted "[she] served the interests of the Irish group rather than the SWP." Cotter, a known New York Irish activist, could not be reached at press time.
"That's obviously from the Irish file," said Wiener, reached at his home in southern California.
"My lawyers and I are continuing with our lawsuit to get the release of those last 10 pages. We hope to find out in about a year what those are about," said Wiener.
Wiener said Lennon "thought of himself as Irish," and suggested the author of 'Give Peace a Chance' may have had doubts about the IRA. "I think he wanted to join up with the radical political currents of the time but he wanted to do it in a peaceful and pacifist way," said Wiener. "That wasn't always easy, but he did his best."
lordofthechicagoblues Creative Commons License 2004.01.30 0 0 322
During the pregnancy, John and Yoko were fanatically health conscious. They went to classes and studied natural childbirth. But Yoko had a difficult delivery. When labor began, she went into convulsions. John called for a doctor, but when the doctor entered the delivery room, he allegedly ignored Yoko and raced over to John and said, "You know, I always loved your music as a Beatle, and I always wanted to shake your hand."

"Fuck off," John screamed. "Save Yoko's life!"

lordofthechicagoblues Creative Commons License 2004.01.30 0 0 321
A Beatle's Boyhood

by Hunter Davies (An excerpt from the bookThe Quarrymen)

Half a century ago, a group of little boys in a
leafy Liverpool suburb grew up with John Lennon.
Unable to play a guitar, he press-ganged them
into his first band - then shrugged them off and
became a star. How do they remember him?
Hunter Davies tells their story.

In November 1998, working on a travel book, I went to Cuba. On the plane someone asked if I was going to the Beatles conference. I didn’t know there was one.

Feeling a bit of a fraud, I agreed to give a little talk to the convention. I wrote the Beatles’ authorised biography in 1968, and have kept in touch with Paul McCartney all these years, but I don’t look upon myself as a Beatles Brain.

Cuba’s Third International Beatles Conference was very serious, with learned papers and deep analysis. To my amazement, one of the events turned out to be a performance by the original Quarrymen - the five friends whom John Lennon got together when the skiffle craze first hit his school, Quarry Bank High, back in Liverpool in 1956.

The original Quarrymen became mere footnotes in history after Paul McCartney and George Harrison came along. Where had they been for 40 years? I was also intrigued by the notion of people who had once touched shoulders with a world-famous celebrity. So I contacted them after I returned to England. All five Quarrymen must have clear memories of the John they once knew well, I thought, probably clearer than John.

He had once told me about his childhood, but those memories were in a vacuum. Now I could put flesh on them and tell the full story.

As Beatles Brains know, John Winston Lennon was born on October 9, 1940, in Oxford Street maternity hospital, Liverpool, during a period of heavy bombing raids. His father, Fred, was hardly around during the next few years. He was a seaman, working as a ship’s steward. He sent money home when other things did not conspire to stop him doing so, such as ending up in prison for three months after breaking into the ship’s cargo and stealing some whisky.

When John was about five, Fred reappeared and was allowed to take him off for a short holiday to Blackpool. He decided upon a mad scheme to emigrate with John to New Zealand; but John’s mother, Julia, appeared and took him back to Liverpool. When Julia found another boyfriend and started a new family, her sister Mimi took in John, bringing him up as her own.

Mimi was keen on discipline and good manners, and was very aware of what she thought was her social position in life. She once told me that her husband, George, owned a dairy. In reality he was little more than a milkman and very fond of gambling.

They lived in the quiet suburb of Woolton, to the south of the city, which still thought of itself as a village, with a parish church, old-fashioned shops, several parks and some old sandstone quarries.

Their house at 251 Menlove Avenue was pre-war and semi-detached. Mimi liked to give the impression that she and George were quite well off, but they took in lodgers to help with their finances.

Gradually, John got to know the boys in the neighbourhood who would become the Quarrymen and who now remember what he was really like.

His best friend was Pete Shotton, a tall, thin boy with incredibly blond hair, who lived round the corner in Vale Road. Pete’s house was semi-detached, like all the others, with an air-raid shelter in the back garden. At one end of Vale Road were council houses. Somewhere in the middle was an unspoken demarcation line. “We kept ourselves to ourselves, in our own territory,“ Pete told me.

Pete’s first gang consisted of two boys in the same road. He considered himself the leader, even at the age of six, till the big bad John Lennon appeared from the next street - 10 months older, stronger, more aggressive and worldly wise, despite his funny-looking spectacles. John had been born with poor eyesight and had specs from an early age but wouldn’t wear them, unless he had to.

Pete and John went to Sunday school each week at St. Peter’s, the Woolton parish church - one of the attractions being the collection money they were supposed to hand over. It was John, says Pete, who first suggested that they should spend it in the sweet shop, usually on bubble gum.

At the beginning of Sunday school, each child had had to give his full name. When John muttered his middle name, Pete quickly realised it embarrassed him. He would yell out “Winnie“ and John would go mad. One day John pinned him to the ground till Pete begged for mercy. Once he was allowed up, Pete ran like hell, shouting “Winnie, Winnie, Winnie.“ And so began a lifelong friendship.

Aunt Mimi considered Pete a bad influence on John, just as Pete’s mother maintained John was badly influencing her son. The boys spent a lot of their time wetting themselves with laughter.

There wasn’t all that much scope for being truly wild in their conformist suburban environment. But Pete says they would call each other a cunt, tell the other to fuck off, which from my memory was unusual for the period. Boys from nice homes did not use such words. Even boys in council houses - which was where I grew up, in Carlisle - did not use such words.

Pete liked Uncle George, Mimi’s husband, who taught John his first rude poem. This inspired John to write his own, illustrated with crude drawings. He let Pete and others see them. Pete could be so convulsed that he would lie on the floor, clutching his stomach in agony, letting out little high-pitched, breathless squeaks. “Let’s hear you squeak then, Pete,“ John would say.

In an abandoned garage, they tried to cut their wrists to draw blood and promise eternal friendship, but the knife was so blunt that all they drew was a large weal.

In the summer of 1952 they sat the 11-plus and passed for Quarry Bank High, a grammar school run on very traditional lines. Boys had to wear uniforms of black and gold that made it clear they were definitely not at a secondary modern, the school for children who failed the 11-plus.

John’s first image on his first day was of the size of the school. He once told me he had “fought all the way“ through primary school. Arriving at Quarry Bank High, he “looked at all the hundreds of kids and thought, ‘Christ, I’ll have to fight my way through this lot’.“

The two friends tried to enjoy themselves as much as possible. If Pete had to stand up in class to say something, John would do something stupid behind the master’s back to make Pete squeak like a pig. When they were sent to the head’s study to be caned for the first time, John crawled out on all fours, groaning in agony, much to the waiting Pete’s consternation.

While Mimi worried that John would turn out like his father, someone came back into his life who encouraged pretty much everything Mimi feared - his mother. John had never realised she was living so relatively near, with her new boyfriend and two daughters. From about the age of 13 or 14 he would go and visit her. She was not against John smoking, didn’t tell him off the way Mimi did. She played silly tricks, like wearing a pair of knickers over her head.

Initially, John had tried reasonably hard at lessons. By the third year he and Pete were both in the B stream. By the fourth year, they were in the C stream, the lowest. John was bottom of the class.

Pete says it was all fun. Their japes included hiding alarm clocks to go off in lessons, rigging up blackboards to collapse when a master started writing on them, filling bicycle pumps with ink to squirt at people in the playground.

They made 40 cardboard dog collars from Shredded Wheat cartons - “we loved Shredded Wheat“ - and gave one to each boy to wear in a religious education lesson. The teacher “enjoyed it so much he made us keep on our dog collars for the rest of the lesson.“

Then came more serious tricks. By chance they found several thousand used school-dinner tickets in a sack, waiting to be disposed of. They sold them to other boys for half price, making themselves Ł5 each a week, a fortune at the time, which they spent on sweets, drinks or cigarettes.

They also moved on to petty shoplifting; but much of their school years, once they got to 13 or 14 years of age, were devoted to sex. It was thanks to Billy Turner, a member of their gang, that they found a way of getting to grips with real girls.

On Saturday afternoons, so Billy told Pete, if you went to the Abbey cinema near Penny Lane, went to the back of the balcony where it was very dark, you’d always find two girls sitting together. You could touch them up, he said, and they wouldn’t complain.

“I didn’t believe this at first, but I went with Billy the next week and it was true,“ says Pete. “John didn’t believe it either, when I told him, but he came along with me and found it was true. I still can hardly believe it. I suppose the girls were as sex starved as we were.“

They lost their virginity when they were about 14, Pete maintains. “John did it for the first time before me. I can remember when he told me. We were standing at the corner of Menlove Avenue and Vale Road and he said, ’I’ve had my first screw. It was a hell of a job...’“

Pete’s initiation was in the grounds of Strawberry Fields, the Salvation Army home behind John’s house. “She lived in Strawberry Fields, which was a home for naughty girls.“

Pete thought John regarded most girls as pure sex objects. “One of his favourite remarks was ’chuck your bird before Chrimble.’ That was his word for Christmas. It meant you wouldn’t have to waste money on a prezzie.“

John was also friends with a Quarry Bank boy called Eric Griffiths, who lived in a semi-detached house in Halewood Drive. His father had been killed in the war and his widowed mother was at work all day, so Eric was a latchkey kid. If he bunked off school, “sagging off“ in Liverpool, he could go home and nobody knew.

Eric got good grades until the third year when “I started to slide.“ Why was that? “Girls, that was one reason, and the other was John Lennon. John and I always got on well. I liked his wit. Yes, he could be a bit cruel, but he never was with me. Not that I was aware of. Perhaps we got on because neither of us had a mum and dad at home. Almost everyone did then.“

Mimi’s husband had died and, like Eric, John was being brought up in what we would now call a one-parent family.

Another of John’s friends since they were seven years old was Rod Davis, who was considered a bit of a swot. His family lived in King’s Drive, in another semi. Rod can remember some council houses not far away whose inhabitants they considered a bit rough. He remembers a boy called Peter Sissons - now not at all rough, having become a BBC star.

Rod had an interest in foreign languages, prompted by the back label of a bottle of HP Sauce. I didn’t know what it was, what it meant, so I asked my dad. He said it’s French, son, the language which French people speak. I don’t think I realised till then that other countries spoke different languages.“

He was put in for a scholarship to the Liverpool Institute, seen as Liverpool’s best grammar school, but he preferred Quarry Bank and found himself in the same class as Lennon J and Shotton P.

His memories are different from theirs. He enjoyed the work and was impressed by most of the teachers. “Many of them had served in the war and were wonderful characters and storytellers, such as ’Fred’ Yule, the maths teacher who had been a bomber navigator and sported a metal leg which creaked so that you could hear him coming for some distance. He was so strong that he once lifted Lennon clean off the ground by his lapels.“

Rod was house swimming captain. “Lennon was never known for his interest in anything sporting, but I did once manage to get him to join the relay team. I can’t remember if we won. Probably not.“

A late entry into this group of friends was Len Garry, who lived in Lance Lane, Wavertree, a short distance from Woolton. His mother was quite musical. When Len passed for the Liverpool Institute he became friendly with another boy there, Ivan Vaughan, who lived in the same road as Pete Shotton and had been part of John’s gang since he was six.

One day in the long summer holidays of 1955, Len rode over to visit Ivan and found the gang standing around with their bikes. Every boy had a bike, or wanted a bike, in those days. It was common to get one on passing the 11-plus. Eric had a Claude Butler with drop handlebars, derailleur gears and alloy wheels. Rod got a J F Wilson lightweight on his 14th birthday. He still has it today. Len had a Raleigh Rudge.

“When I was introduced to John, I made some remark about his name being like his bike, his Raleigh Lenton. John said yes, it was made for him.“

Len started joining the gang at Calderstones Park, between John’s house and Quarry Bank school. They sat around talking, smoking, hoping to spot some girls. They didn’t play either football or cricket. Len decided that, because John could hardly see without his glasses, he hated all games and wouldn’t let the others play.

One day Len and John managed to chat up two girls, Barbara and Miranda, and persuaded them to go into a tunnel in the park with them. Barbara was the prettier one and Len maintains he was the first to go out with her. But she became John’s first regular girlfriend.

And then skiffle arrived. In 1956 it blew across Britain like a contagious disease. Two or three years later it had gone, overtaken by rock’n’roll.

Until skiffle, popular music was made by “musicians“ with real instruments, which cost money and were hard to play. Skiffle, played on primitive instruments, encouraged anyone to have a go.

Its sudden appearance in 1950s Britain was part of a more general change in society. Almost overnight there appeared clothes, haircuts, attitudes, language and music that appealed primarily to one section of the public - youth.

Lonnie Donegan’s single, Rock Island Line, became a surprise bestseller. Fifteen-year-old John Lennon bought a copy which he practically wore away. Then he sold it to Rod Davis. (Rod still has it.)

All over the country, boys started working out ways of playing skiffle. John had never learnt to play an instrument, but he took a guitar from a boy in his class, tried to play it, found he couldn’t, and gave it back. He then went to see his mother and she got him his first guitar, a second-hand Egmond for about Ł5. Later he persuaded Aunt Mimi to buy him one “guaranteed not to split.“

The first recruit to his skiffle group, once the idea had come into his head, was, of course, Pete - to whom it seemed like just another wheeze, like building a camp, forming a gang. Pete’s first reaction was to say no, as he wouldn’t have a clue how to play in a group. He thinks now that if he had continued to say no, John would not have gone on to begin the Quarrymen.

“It’s inconceivable that either of us would have got involved in something if the other wasn’t keen. He was accustomed to being the ringleader, but he feared stepping out on his own. He desperately needed the supportive presence of whoever he felt closest to at the time. It wouldn’t have occurred to him to organise a band from a group of strangers.“

From the shed in Pete’s garden they found a washboard that Pete said he would play. With the help of Pete’s mother, they acquired an old tea chest and inside it they stuck a broom handle. String was tied from the top of the broom handle to the side of the tea chest. When twanged, it was a home-made double bass.

Pete thinks he thought of their name, the Quarrymen. The spelling has varied between Quarrymen and Quarry Men over the years, but it is one word in the line from their school song that inspired Pete: “Quarrymen, old before our birth.“

They needed someone who could play the guitar, as John was struggling. Eric Griffiths couldn’t play either, but he had a guitar, so he was recruited. “Me and John got our guitars at around the same time - and neither of us could play them,“ he said.

Eric was better at dancing. “John was useless at dancing. I tried to teach him how to jive, but he could never manage it. He couldn’t pull the girl towards him on the beat.“

John’s mother, who had a banjo, taught them how to play banjo chords on their new guitars.

“We used to skive off school, buy 10 Woodbines and a bag of chips, then go to Julia’s house,“ said Eric. “She always let us in. She wasn’t like anyone else’s mother. She was young at heart.“

When they heard that the studious Rod Davis had bought a second-hand banjo with a proper case, he was invited to join, too, even though he couldn’t play it.

Rehearsals - sometimes in Julia’s bathroom, where the acoustics improved the sound - could be chaotic. “Eric shouted out the chord he thought he was playing, hoping I would follow suit, or at least somehow fit in,“ said Rod.

Rod bought a banjo manual and set about teaching himself some chords. “It meant I soon knew more chords than John. And I was venturing right up the neck, but he told me not to play there. I think he thought I was being flash, trying to be better than him. He was no great shakes on the guitar, but then none of us were much good. But when we started playing at people’s parties, we found that John could hold an audience.“

Next they needed a drummer. Eric produced one: his friend Colin Hanton, who lived in a rented semi round the corner in Heyscroft Road. Colin didn’t go to a grammar school. He went to a secondary modern - the sort of thing, in certain circles, you kept quiet about 50 years ago. He left school at the age of 16 and became an apprentice upholsterer on Ł3 a week. When skiffle arrived he could afford records - and, eventually, a set of drums. “I was self-taught. I just put a record on the radiogram and played along as best I could,“ he said.

Eric asked him over with his drum kit to meet John. “I was invited to join the group there and then. Simply because I had a set of drums. It wouldn’t have mattered how badly I played.“

Finally, Len Garry was invited to play the tea chest. “I really wanted to sing,“ Len said. “But John was the singer.“

There was a problem: a boy called Bill Smith, who had occasionally played for them, had the tea chest. One lunch time, John and Pete sagged off school, determined to recover it from Bill’s house.

Nobody was in. They found a window slightly ajar and Pete, being very thin, managed to climb through. While they were searching the house, there was a knock at the front door. Before Pete could stop him, John went to answer it. A smartly dressed young man asked if his parents were at home.

“My mum’s dead and my father’s in jail,“ said John.

“I am sorry,“ said the man. He explained he was a soft drinks salesman, giving out free samples of a new drink. He asked John if he had any brothers or sisters.

“Yeah, three brothers and three sisters. Our Uncle Herbert looks after us all.“

The salesman left seven bottles of the new cola, and a questionnaire to fill in, saying he could came back later in the week.

John and Pete guzzled the cola, wishing it was beer, then searched every room for the tea chest; they found it in the garage. They left seven empties in Bill’s front room, and the questionnaire.

When they felt they’d practised enough, the boys began to play at St. Peter’s youth club and at parties. But Rod remembers that John “wasn’t really seen as either a good singer or a good musician. In school, what he was known for was his cartoons, not his music. There was evidence that he had talent as a wit. If I’d been asked at the time if John had obvious musical talent, I would have had to have said no“.

The first proper gig Rod and Colin can remember was at a golf club. They agreed to wear black jeans and white shirts, but Rod’s parents did not allow jeans. “I was forced in the end to get a second-hand pair from a friend, with very poor-quality fly zips. Just as we were about to go on stage, my flies broke. I had to play the entire set with my banjo slung low.“

John once told me that the first proper engagement he could remember was playing “at Rose Street.“ It was the Empire Day celebrations, he said. It was actually in Roseberry Street and was nothing to do with Empire Day. It was held on June 22, 1957, to celebrate 750 years of Liverpool’s royal charter.

They played from the back of a coal lorry. By their second set, Colin was quite drunk. “But I wasn’t too drunk to hear some lads who were watching us putting their heads together, muttering and pointing. There was someone in the crowd I knew, so I beckoned him over to the side of the wagon and asked what was going on. ’Oh, they’re planning to get Lennon,’ he said. When I told John, it was guitars away, drums off and we all made a hasty retreat.“

Colin thinks a policeman was called in to give John protection.

Two weeks later, the programme for the garden fete at St. Peter’s Church, Woolton, announced that “the Quarry Men Skiffle Group“ were going to play. It was Saturday, July 6, 1957. A whole book has recently been written about this one day. But it is hard to get those who were there to agree on what precisely happened.

Ivan Vaughan brought along a Liverpool Institute friend called Paul McCartney - who stood and watched, noting that John was making up many of the words and not managing all the right chords.

“I noticed Paul while we were playing,“ said Eric. “He looked a very fresh-faced kid.“

Later, while they were rehearsing for the evening dance in the church hall, Ivan introduced his friend to John. Paul, who had just turned 15, took 16-year-old John’s guitar, retuned it from banjo chords, and played Twenty Flight Rock, his party piece.

Neither Eric, Colin nor Rod remembers this, however. “Perhaps I paid a visit to the toilet and missed the greatest moment in rock’n’roll history,“ said Rod.

About a week later, Paul happened to bump into Pete, who asked if he wanted to join the Quarrymen. Paul said yes, and cycled home for tea.

“Paul was very good,“ said Eric. “We could all see that. He was precocious in many ways. Not just in music but in relating to people.“

Paul was polite and deferential to elders, though this failed to impress Aunt Mimi, said Pete. “Despite Paul’s charm, Mimi didn’t like Paul coming round to see John. She wouldn’t let him in if John was not at home.“ It was probably snobbery, as Paul came from a council house.

His charm also worried John, according to Eric. “We were all walking down Halewood Drive to my house to do some practising. I was walking ahead with John. The others were behind. John suddenly said, ’Let’s split the group, and you and me will start again.’

“We could hear Paul behind us, chatting to Pete, as if he was Pete’s best friend. John knew we were all his pals, but now Paul was trying to get in on us. Not to split us up, just make friends with us all. I’m sure that was all it was, but to John it looked as if Paul was trying to take over, dominate the group. I suppose he was worried it could disrupt the balance, upset the group dynamics, as we might say today. I said to him, ’Paul’s so good. He’ll contribute a lot to the group. We need him with us.’ I like to think that was my greatest contribution to the history of the Beatles - not letting John chuck Paul out of the Quarrymen.“

For his debut with the Quarrymen, Paul said he would wear a white sports coat. According to Eric, John was worried that it might look as if Paul was the leader, so he managed to acquire a similar coat. The others wore white shirts and bootlace ties. Len was wearing two pairs of trousers to make his weedy legs look more manly.

Paul was apparently rather nervous, making a bit of a hash of Guitar Boogie. But he had an immediate impact on the group. John and Eric decided they’d better learn to play the guitar properly. After Paul’s debut, they got only occasional engagements. At the Stanley Abattoir social club they were considered “cacophonous.“ They got return bookings at the Wilson Hall in Garston, but had trouble with teddy boys.

The local toughs didn’t like their girls fancying John and Paul. That’s one theory for the attempts to beat them up. Another is that it was all John’s fault.

Eric explained: “John never wore his specs - which made him stare very hard. He gave the wrong impression, got him into a lot of trouble. People would think he was deliberately trying to look hard - which was another reason teddy boys wanted to fight him.“

A more likely explanation is that the Quarrymen were seen as snobs from Woolton, former grammar school boys from semi-detached houses, poncing about, trying to be working-class rockers, performing in front of real hard men who were labourers during the day but became genuine teds at night, wearing the full gear, plus razors and bicycle chains at the ready.

John wasn’t a real ted, despite his quiff and tight trousers. He would have run a mile if anyone had ever wanted a fight.

One evening after a Wilson Hall performance, they were chased by the teds all the way to the bus stop. Pete was in charge of the tea chest and dropped it in his panic.

“John and I managed to get on the bus, just as it was moving. But these two thugs got on. We were upstairs, crouching at the front, but they found us and started fighting us. At the next stop, John dived downstairs and disappeared. They took off after him, as it was John they wanted to thump. I could see them standing on the pavement, wondering which way he had gone. I thought he’d got off as well - till I discovered he was downstairs, sitting quietly between two old women.“

Fourteen-year-old George Harrison came on the scene early in 1958. “George got himself into the group gradually, playing when Eric couldn’t make it,“ said Pete. “George hero-worshipped John, but at first John had mixed feelings about being seen with him. We all looked upon George as a naive little boy, but we all knew he was talented on the guitar.“

Pete had a problem. “Being John’s friend, I hadn’t wanted to say I was fed up, that I wanted to leave. My contribution was totally non-musical. I just went along to make wisecracks or help carry the gear. I never liked going on stage. It gave me the willies.“

The ending came at a wedding reception in Toxteth. It was the first time in his life that he remembers John being really drunk.

“John and I were on the floor, sitting cross-legged at the end of the party, surrounded by our instruments and empty beer bottles. John was in fine form, making me laugh hysterically at something or other. I plucked up the courage to say I was leaving. I say ’plucked’ because I thought he’d be upset. But he’d obviously been struggling to tell me he didn’t want me in the group any more. Anyway, he suddenly picked up my washboard and hit me over the head with it. He then turned to me and said, ’Well, that takes care of that problem, doesn’t it.’ So that was it. I was released from the Quarrymen. We then just laughed till the beers rolled down our eyes.“

Rod was the next to leave - “I sort of just drifted away.“ Len caught tubercular meningitis and by the time he recovered, the Quarrymen had moved on. Eric was told he had to change to the bass guitar or leave; he left. Colin was the last to go, after a gig at which he, John and Paul were drunk.

“On the bus home, Paul started making silly noises. It sounded to me as if he was imitating deaf and dumb people, doing the noise they make when they try to talk. John was doing much the same as well. This annoyed me because I had a couple of deaf and dumb friends. In the end I rounded on Paul, told him to stop it and we got into a huge argument. We were all still pretty drunk, of course, so that didn’t help. It wasn’t quite a fist fight. Just a lot of shouting and arguing. But I suppose I had begun to feel fed up with them by then, by their attitude, the things they were doing and saying. I got so pissed off by how they were behaving that in the end I just stood up, even though it wasn’t my stop. I collected my drums, left the bus - and left them.“

In later years, friends used to point him out. “You know what Liverpool people are like. They love taking the piss, ’Oh, here’s Colin, he could have been a Beatle.’ I hated all that. It really got up my nose.“

Copyright © 2001-2002 Hunter Davies

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Ha a Koppányi Aga most nem is érintett a dologban, remélem, lesz, akiket érdekel.

The Will of John Lennon
The Beatles' singer, songwriter and guitarist, who sang "imagine no possessions" in the popular hit "Imagine," left most of his property to an estate controlled by his wife, Yoko Ono.

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LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT OF JOHN WINSTON ONO LENNON
I, JOHN WINSTON ONO LENNON, a resident of the County of New York, State of New York, which I declare to be my domicile do hereby make, publish and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament, hereby revoking all other Wills, Codicils and Testamentary dispositions by me at any time heretofore made.

FIRST: The expenses of my funeral and the administration of my estate, and all inheritance, estate or succession taxes, including interest and penalties, payable by reason of my death shall be paid out of and charged generally against the principal of my residuary estate without apportionment or proration. My Executor shall not seek contribution or reimbursement for any such payments.

SECOND: Should my wife survive me, I give, devise and bequeath to her absolutely, an amount equal to that portion of my residuary estate, the numerator and denominator of which shall be determined as follows:

1. The numerator shall be an amount equal to one-half (1/2) of my adjusted gross estate less the value of all other property included in my gross estate for Federal Estate Tax purposes and which pass or shall have passed to my wife either under any other provision of this Will or in any manner outside of this Will in such manner as to qualify for and be allowed as a marital deduction. The words "pass", "have passed", "marital deduction" and adjusted gross estate" shall have the same meaning as said words have under those provisions of the Untied States Internal Revenue Code applicable to my estate.

2. The denominator shall be an amount representing the value of my residuary estate.

THIRD: I give, devise and bequeath all the rest, residue and remainder of my estate, wheresoever situate, to the Trustees under a Trust Agreement dated November 12, 1979, which I signed with my wife YOKO ONO, and ELI GARBER as Trustees, to be added to the trust property and held and distributed in accordance with the terms of that agreement and any amendments made pursuant to its terms before my death.

FOURTH: In the event that my wife and I die under such circumstances that there is not sufficient evidence to determine which of us has predeceased the other, I hereby declare it to be my will that it shall be deemed that I shall have predeceased her and that this, my Will, and any and all of its provisions shall be construed based upon that assumption.

FIFTH: I hereby nominate, constitute and appoint my beloved wife, YOKO ONO, to act as the Executor of this my Last Will and Testament. In the event that my beloved wife YOKO ONO shall predecease me or chooses not to act for any reason, I nominate and appoint ELI GARBER, DAVID WARMFLASH and CHARLES PETTIT, in the order named, to act in her place and stead.

SIXTH: I nominate, constitute and appoint my wife YOKO ONO, as the Guardian of the person and property of any children of the marriage who may survive me. In the event that she predeceases me, or for any reason she chooses not to act in that capacity, I nominate, constitute and appoint SAM GREEN to act in her place and stead.

SEVENTH: No person named herein to serve in any fiduciary capacity shall be required to file or post any bond for the faithful performance of his or her duties, in that capacity in this or in any other jurisdiction, any law to the contrary notwithstanding.

EIGHTH: If any legatee or beneficiary under this will or the trust agreement between myself as Grantor and YOKO ONO LENNON and ELI GARBER as Trustees, dated November 12, 1979 shall interpose objections to the probate of this Will, or institute or prosecute or be in any way interested or instrumental in the institution or prosecution of any action or proceeding for the purpose of setting aside or invalidating this Will, then and in each such case, I direct that such legatee or beneficiary shall receive nothing whatsoever under this Will or the aforementioned Trust.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have subscribed and sealed and do publish and declare these presents as and for my Last Will and Testament, this 12th day of November, 1979.

/s/
John Winston Ono Lennon

THE FOREGOING INSTRUMENT consisting of four (4) typewritten pages, including this page, was on the 12th day of November, 1979, signed, sealed, published and declared by JOHN WINSTON ONO LENNON, the Testator therein named, as and for his Last Will and Testament, in the present of us, who at his request, and in his presence, and in the presence of each other, have hereunto set our names as witnesses.

(The names of the three witnesses are illegible.)

R_R Creative Commons License 2004.01.19 0 0 319
"eleve kicsit remegek, mert már megint nem fordítottam le egy sort se"
Fantasztikus vagy,Lord!
Imadom ezt a topikot!

(es kivetelesen meg a cikket is ertettem,nahat...)

Előzmény: lordofthechicagoblues (314)
Törölt nick Creative Commons License 2004.01.19 0 0 318
Ízlések és pofonok. Van, akit a rettenetes hosszú bemásolás riaszt vissza.
Előzmény: lordofthechicagoblues (317)
lordofthechicagoblues Creative Commons License 2004.01.18 0 0 317
http://articles.absoluteelsewhere.net/Articles/2_mrs_lennons.html

Nem, az a bajom egyébként, hogy ha bemásolva a cikket is soknak tűnik bárkinek, hanem nem igazán tudok hinni benne, hogy egy odavetett linkre, ha egyáltalán megnézi, ugyanazt a sokat elolvassa. Miért ne könnyítsem meg a helyzetét? Viszont a link-beszúrás nem néz ki sehogy, ezt valljuk be. Nem mondanám, hogy lenne hangulata.

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Azért abból szerintem nem lesz baj, ha a linket megadod, én pl. szívesen olvasnám az egészet.
Köszi szépen!
Előzmény: lordofthechicagoblues (315)
lordofthechicagoblues Creative Commons License 2004.01.18 0 0 315
Cynthia viszont egészen másként látta, még a cikk elején ezt a "verekedős srác vagy nem"-kérdést. Egyébként a megvilágosodás felé vezető ösvény kérdéskörében is más volt az álláspontja.

CL: [Nods] I think we both changed. But I did not want to go down the road that John was going.
MW: Which road?
CL: Which was the road of ”enlightenment” as far as drugs were concerned. John was in a more trapped situation than I was.
MW: Trapped?
CL: Trapped in his own mind, and in the Beatles’ situation and the pressure of the music and the pop world. And I think he’d had enough and wanted to escape that. I had nothing to escape. I wasn’t looking for anything else. I wasn’t searching in my mind for new experiences on a mental state.
MW: And he was?
CL: Yeah.
MW: And LSD was his road to self-discovery?
CL: That was the beginning. He was always searching, John. Always looking for the truth, an ideal, a dream. And I suppose once he’d got hooked on that situation and the mental state, he thought he’d found something new in life that nobody else had.
MW: Was it very destructive of your marriage?
CL: Well, yes. I think that any drugs are destructive of anything and everyone. But the reality of life was slipping by John. He wasn’t aware anymore. He became less interested in the original dream of becoming famous and becoming wealthy, and that didn’t matter to him anymore. He had that, he had it all.
MW: Was he writing music at this time?
CL: No, no. It was a period of great, great change in John’s life. He didn’t know which direction he was going to take. The direction was chosen for him, anyway.
MW: By?
CL: Well, by his meeting with Yoko. That was it.

lordofthechicagoblues Creative Commons License 2004.01.18 0 0 314
Most csak nagyon keveset merek idézni - különben irgalmatlan lebaszást kapok, eleve kicsit remegek, mert már megint nem fordítottam le egy sort se - de az egész cikk igazán érdekesnek tűnik, úgyhogy mégis egy kevés belőle.

The Two
Mrs. Lennons
What Was It Like To Have Been Married To John Lennon?
Courtesy of 60 Minutes
Mike Wallace Talks to Cynthia Lennon and Yoko Ono About the Man They Both at One Time Called "Husband."
The following interviews are from the 1987 60 Minutes feature ”The Two Mrs. Lennons.” The interviews were conducted by Mike Wallace. (This isn’t the whole transcript, so there is some missing text in certain sections.) ~ladyjean

YO: I know, he was always searching. We were always searching. Together we went through macrobiotic, we went through vegetarian. And, um...we went...we went into all sorts, actually. Primal therapy.
MW: In the search for what? And what did you find?
YO: In the search for truth and health and...
MW: Health through LSD? Health through drugs? Vegetarianism I can understand.
YO: Well, health can be mental health as well. I mean, we wanted to find the true wisdom of...uh...life.
MW: John admitted he had a problem with violence. He said, ”I was a hitter. I couldn’t express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women. That is why I’m always on about peace. You see, it’s the most violent of people who go for love and peace.”
YO: He’s very right.
MW: Was he a hitter when you lived with him?
YO: No he wasn’t.
MW: He never hit you?
YO: No.

lordofthechicagoblues Creative Commons License 2004.01.18 0 0 313
Ez a sajátos viszony-rendszer legalább annyira érdekes maradt máig egyébként, mint a dalok maguk. Nem tudok annyira sokat erről, de egy dolgot igen. Magam is rendelkeztem annak idején olyan barátnővel, akitől az egész baráti/támogatói/szimpatizánsi köröm egy emberként jajdult fel, ha meglátták, ahogy emlékszem, többen is megtanulták a fejüket tökéletesen a két szép nagy kezükbe rejteni mindeközben. A magyarázat egyszerű: nem tudták és nem is tudhatták, miért ragaszkodom hozzá.

"Hans sřnn Sean sa i begravelesen fřlgende:"Now Daddy is a part of God. I guess when you die you become much more bigger because you're a part of everything". Alle savner vi John Lennon, men hans arv, musikken, lever videre."

Ha kedveled azért, ha nem azért nyomj egy lájkot a Fórumért!