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IDOHIDEPITO Creative Commons License 2008-07-23 16:47:28 498

 This type cannot be traced to an earlier date than the 13th century "

 

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lebben Creative Commons License 2008-05-26 14:00:42 497

...pontyleves,de a ponty nem cápa...pontycapea

 

 

» Black Sea «

 

...mint KOMOR bikáé...taur,de DÖRÖG...dirr-durr

 

..alparsalan...alpár mezején salán vezért....

 

 

Traditions about nomenclature
In the ancient Zoroastrian texts of the Avesta , one of the grandsons of Jamshid (comparable to Noah as the sole survivor of a catastrophe that depopulated the Earth) is named "Tur" or "Tura" -- the supposed ancestor of so-called "Turanian" peoples, a term used in Ancient Iran for all the inhabitants of Central Asia.

 

The term "Turanian" is derived from the Iranian word "tur" or "tar," meaning "dark," (in reference to how the West Iranians saw the lands to their north as a mysterious "land of darkness"),

 

however claims that there is any etymological connection to the word "Turk" are hotly disputed among various historians. This traditional Persian genealogy has been confused by some with the late 16th century Mughal (Indian) work Akbarnama by Abul-Fazel, where he recounts certain Islamic traditions making "Turk" the oldest son of Japheth and grandson of Noah; also, in the 19th century, it was common in Christian circles to equate the ancestor of the Turks with Togarmah, grandson of Japheth in Genesis 10. According to Mahmud of Kashgar, an 11th century Turkic scholar, and various other traditional Islamic scholars and historians, the name "Turk" stems from "Tur", one of the sons of Japheth, and comes from the same lineage as Gomer (Cimmerians) and Ashkenaz (Scythians, Ishkuz) who, according to tradition, were some of the earliest Turks (most modern scholars believe these tribes to have been Iranian).

 

A similar name, "Dur", also appears in Mediaeval Hungarian legend, as a legendary chieftain of the Caucasian Alans (Arran, Iron) whose daughters supposedly bred with the Magyar ancestors,

 

"Magor" and "Hunor".

 

In the earliest Turkic dictionary extant, the eponymous hero of the Turks, Alp Er Tunga, is identified with the character Afrasiyab ("Frangasyan" in the Avesta ) in Persian literature.

 

Alp Er Tunga is a symbolic figure in Turkic tradition; the Gokturks of the sixth century carried on the tradition of Alp Er Tunga and they too believed to be descendants of a wolf. According to the "Book of Kings" written by the Persian author Ferdowsi, Afrasiyab was hunted down and killed in Azerbaijan.

 

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Name
Modern names of the Sea are universally translations of Μαύρη Θάλασσα "Black Sea", Turkish language Kara Deniz, Russian language Чёрное море, Bulgarian language Черно море, Cherno more, Georgian language შავი ზღვა, shavi zghva, Ukrainian language Chorne More, Romanian language Marea Neagră, Laz language Ucha Zuğa (or simple Zuğa "Sea"), Ubykh language . This type cannot be traced to an earlier date than the 13th century , but there are indications that it may be considerably older, cf. below. Strabo (1.2.10) reports that in antiquity, the Black Sea was often just called "the Sea" (pontos), just like Homer was often simply called "the Poet". For the most part, Graeco-Roman tradition refers to the Black Sea as (Euxeinos Pontos) "Hospitable sea". This is a euphemism replacing an earlier Pontos Axeinos "Inhospitable Sea", first attested in Pindar (early 5th century BC). Strabo (7.3.6) thinks that the Black Sea was called "inhospitable" before Greek colonization because it was difficult to navigate, and because its shores were inhabited by savage tribes, and that the name was changed to "hospitable" after the Milesians (Greek) had colonized, as it were making it part of the Greek civilization. It is, however, likely that the name Axeinos arose by Folk etymology from an Iranian

 

axšaina- meaning "dark";

 

the designation "Black Sea" would, after all, go back to Antiquity. The motive for the name may be an ancient assignment of colours to the direction of the compass, "black" referring to the north, and "red" referring to the south. Herodotus on one occasion uses Red Sea and "Southern Sea" interchangeably. Cf. Schmitt 1996. Another possible explanation comes from the color of the Black Sea's deep waters. Being further north than the Mediterranean Sea and much less saline, the algae concentration is much more rich, hence the dark color. One Bulgaria n understanding of the name is that the sea used to be quite stormy. Some sources stipulate that that goes back to the time of Noah's Ark . There is a myth called the Black Sea deluge theory based on that idea

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Kerch
Kerch (, , , Old East Slavic : Корчев) is a city ( 2001 pop 157,000) on the Kerch Peninsula of eastern Crimea , an important industrial, transportation and tourist center of Ukraine . The name comes from Old East Slavic ’къркъ’ which means throat, alluding to a narrow strait in front of the town (see Vasmer here).

 

 

akszinja és a mély torok...valami kirké....rém lik...ja az a sárkány valaga...

Előzmény:
csapó Creative Commons License 2008-02-19 16:12:05 493
Én igyekszem a tárgyra koncentrálni. De hogy ne legyen okod további panaszra, itt van az inkriminált szakasz.

"Nouerit ergò vestra sancta maiestas, quòd anno Domini millessimo ducentessimo, quinquagessimo tertio, nonas Maij ingressi sumus mare Ponti, quod Bulgarici vocant, Maius Mare: & habet mille octo milliaria in longum, vt didici à mercatoribus, & distinguitur quasi in duas partes."
És hogy ne legyen kétség, kicsivel lejjebb:
"Ad Orientem verò illius prouinciæ est ciuitas quæ dicitur Matriga, vbi cadit fluuius Tanais in mare Ponti per orificium habens latitudinem duodecem milliarium. Ille enim fluuius antequam ingrediatur mare Ponti, facit quoddam mare versus Aquilonem, habens in latitudine et longitudine septinginta, milliaria, nusquam habens profunditatem vltra sex passus, vnde magna vasa non ingrediuntur illud."

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