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Részletes keresés

Törölt nick Creative Commons License 2008.11.21 0 0 6969
Elnézést kerek,
bombaba szavait használom 'Nem fordítási problémám van, azt nem értem, hogy mitől kellene kötnie a virágoknak. '

Üdv.
Chez
Előzmény: sjohn (6966)
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A citruskönyvben nem emlékszem, hogy a beporzásról esett volna szó. De lehet, hogy átsiklottam fölötte. Nekifutok n+1-edszer is.
Most kezdett virágozni a máltai lime (La Valetta), a tahitival nem egy légtérben, kíváncsi vagyok, milyen eredménnyel. Pillanatnyilag úgy tűnik, jobb arányban köt, mint a tahiti.
Előzmény: Törölt nick (6965)
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Püff neki , lassú voltam.:))
Előzmény: Törölt nick (6965)
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Szerinted ennek van értelme?

Miből gondolod , hogy itt mindenki perfekt angol?
Ez egy magyar fórum , biztosa elkerülte a figyelmedet.
Amennyiben mégis segíteni szeretnél , tedd már meg , hogy csak úgy nagy vonalakban lefordítod , biztosan nagyobb sikere lenne!
Köszönöm az olvtársak nevében.
Előzmény: Törölt nick (6963)
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Majdnem mindegyik citrus faj öntermékeny, a citrus könyv is írja (hogy ha ecsetel beporzod a virágokat ugyan arról a fáról).
Itt van egy kis leiras hogy ha más citrus virág port használsz a beporzáshoz:

Pollination
The sweet lime is self-compatible. In studies aimed at improving yield, Indian scientists found that self-pollination results in maximum fruit set, while cross-pollination with sweet orange or grapefruit results in greater fruit retention, at the same time increasing fruit size and seed count. Therefore, the practice of interplanting with sweet orange and grapefruit has been adopted in commercial orchards.
Most cultivars are self-pollinated. Some are parthenocarpic (e.g., 'Tahiti' lime, and some Navel oranges and tangelos). Cross pollination is necessary only for some tangerines and tangerine hybrids.

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Előzmény: bombaba (6962)
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Köszönöm, ez nagyon hasznos információkat tartalmaz.
Előzmény: Törölt nick (6963)
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Egy pár citrus fajtának a porzása:

Pollination Requirements:
In general, citrus has been considered as a crop with little or no need for insect pollination. However, that which was said about a crop years ago may not be true today for, as Webber et al. (1943) pointed out, no variety is likely to remain entirely static over long periods, even when propagated asexually. The likelihood that pollination requirements of citrus have changed in this way is minor. More likely, our increased knowledge, obtained through continued studies, has enlightened us as to the range of pollination needs.
Furthermore, economic conditions may require maximum production of a crop if a net profit is to be realized. Under such conditions, a slight benefit, derived from better pollination of the crop, can become highly significant economically. Considerable attention has been given to citrus pollination recently. Krezdorn (1970) stated that a growing number of citrus cultivars are known to be self-incompatible and, in some cases, cross incompatible. With such cultivars, an appropriate pollen supply and pollinating agents is needed.
The pollination requirements of the different kinds of citrus are quite diverse. In some there is almost complete self-sterility. Pollen must be transferred to these flowers from those of another compatible type for maximum fruit production. In others, the plant is benefited if pollen is moved from flower to flower within the cultivar or within the species. In still others, there is no known benefit from transfer of pollen to the stigma by external agents over production caused by the plant's own pollen coming into contact with the stigma without the aid of such insects. In addition, there are varying degrees of parthenocarpic development of the fruit. Because of such diversity, the more important kinds of citrus are discussed separately.

GRAPEFRUIT:
Authorities on citrus in the United States have consistently stated that cross-pollination is not required in grapefruit, and that grapefruit production presents no pollination problem (Coit 1915, Frost and Soost 1968, Krezdorn 1970, 1972, Soost 1963, Webber 1930). This does not necessarily mean that no benefit is derived from insect transfer of pollen within the cultivar.
Wright (1937) studied the effect of cross-pollination on seed development and fruit set of the 'Marsh' grapefruit. Although some of his data on unpollinated (emasculated and bagged) flowers are open to question, he reported that open pollinated flowers set about twice as many seeds, but more importantly four times as many fruit, as selfed flowers. The presence of seeds is generally undesired by the canners and other consumers, although the 'Duncan' grapefruit is preferred by canners in spite of its seeds. The difference in fruit set could be of considerable economic importance. Satisfactory crops of grapefruit are normally harvested from solid blocks of a single cultivar.
LEMONS:
Richter (1916) stated that without question (but also without showing data) all the blooms of the lemon could be protected from insect visitation without the slightest reduction in set of mature fruit. Webber (1930) also concluded that pollination by bees was probably a negligible factor in the production of citrus fruits, at least for the 'Eureka' and 'Lisbon' lemons, the 'Valencia' and 'Washington Navel' oranges, and the 'Marsh' grapefruit. However, Webber et al. (1943) stated that although self-pollination occurs rather commonly without insects, seedlessness sometimes results, and seedlessness is rather generally a handicap to setting of fruit. Frost and Soost (1968) and Soost (1963) concluded that supplying pollen of another variety does not appear necessary for most of the major types of citrus.
In Russia, however, where numerous tests have been conducted on caged citrus trees, Glukhov (1955) stated that lemon trees isolated from bees produced only one-fourth as much fruit as trees exposed to cross- pollination by bees. Burnaeva (1956) reported that lemons receiving supplemental pollen from other cultivars or citrus species, produced more than trees not exposed to cross-pollination. Zavrashvili (1964) reported that lemon trees caged without bees produced 42.5 percent less than open-pollinated trees, whereas the trees caged with bees produced only 10 percent less, indicating that bees contribute by distributing the self- pollen on the tree. Later, Zavrashvili (1967b) stated that the 'Novogrusinskii' requires cross-pollination by bees for fruit production. Randhawa et. al. (1961) obtained four mature 'Malta' lemon fruit from 25 cross-pollinated flowers but none from 50 selfed flowers.
LIMES:
There has been little research on the pollination requirements of limes. Krezdorn (1970) stated that the Tahiti lime is strongly parthenocarpic, and, although cross-pollination might increase the number of seed, the increase in production of fruit, if any, would be negligible. However, Motial (1964) reported that 80 to 100 percent of the open pollinated flowers he observed on sweet limes (C. limettoides Tan.) set fruit, but only 40 to 60 percent of the emasculated and hand pollinated flowers set. This indicates that strong pollinator activity might increase the set and total production of sweet limes. Motial concluded, however, that sweet lime is not self-incompatible but is merely a shy bearer because of the high percentage of staminate flowers the plant produces.
ORANGES:
A general statement about the pollination of oranges is difficult because of the variation among cultivars. Coit (1915) stated that certain oranges require pollination to set fruit, others will set fruit parthenocarpically without the stimulus of pollination, and some will not accept pollen from some other cultivars. Because of this difference, the 'Washington Navel' and 'Valencia' and other sweet oranges will be discussed separately.
'Washington Navel'. - The anthers of 'Washington Navel' blossoms produce no pollen and the embryo sac may degenerate before tubes of pollen from other cultivars can penetrate to it, yet fruit sets and develops if conditions are favorable. However, if the tree is stressed by desiccating winds or moisture shortage, drop of young fruit can be severe. Surr (1922) caged six 'Washington Navel' trees to increase the humidity around them, which also excluded pollinating insects. He found that by doing this the production was not increased but instead decreased as much as 86 percent. The cages may have influenced fruit set for reasons other than pollination. Krezdorn (1970) stated that cross-pollination in 'Washington Navels' does not increase the yield, yet he (1965) obtained the following results from hand-pollinating the flowers, which would indicate that cross-pollination might influence set:
[gfx] (fix table):
No. of flowers No. of Pollen Source pollinated fruit set 'Pineapple' orange 1,000 2 'Temple' orange 1,000 3 'Duncan' grapefruit 1,000 5 Self (None) 3,000 0
El-Tomi (1964, 1957) reported that cross-pollination of 'Washington Navels' significantly minimized the dropping of immature fruit.
An interesting report on pollination made by Zavrashvili (1967b) stated that 'Washington Navel' trees caged to exclude bees yielded fewer fruits than trees caged with bees or open plots. The flowers set the most fruit when crossed with the 'Grusinian' orange. He also reported that the transfer of stigmatic fluid between stigmas increased the percentage of set. No reason for this effect was given, and its significance has not been determined.
The effect of pollination on production of 'Washington Navel' oranges seemed to be summed up by Atkins (1963), who stated that there is a possibility that cross-pollination by bees may cause them to retain more fruit.
'Valencias.' - Richter (1916) stated, without showing data, that if all insects were kept off 'Valencia' flowers there would be no less production. Francke et al. (1969) also concluded that bees have no effect on production of 'Valencias', but Cameron et al. (1960) reported that fruit size of 'Valencias' was increased as the seed number increased and that 'Pearl' tangelo pollen may increase both seed number and fruit set on 'Valencias'. This would indicate that, with cross-pollination, fruit size and possibly number of fruit set might be increased.
Other sweet oranges. - Soost (1963) stated that commercial plantings show no obvious reduction of yield in the absence of other varieties, but this does not mean that cross-pollination is of no benefit. Khan and Chandhri (1964) concluded that five unidentified cultivars were self-pollinating. Oppenheimer (1935) (cited by Oppenheimer 1948) came to the conclusion that "citrus can be planted in large blocks with no admixtures of other varieties, without the least misgiving."
Conversely, Glukhov (1955) reported that orange trees (cultivar not given) pollinated by bees produced four times as much fruit as trees isolated from bees. Zavrashvili (1964) reported that the orange crop in cages without bees was 54.4 percent lower than that on trees in the open. The cultivar was not identified nor was there a measure of cage effect on the plant other than pollination effect. Wafa and Ibrahim (1960) obtained 31 percent increase in set of fruit on the 'Elfelaha' orange, 22 percent increase in fruit weight, 33 percent more juice, and 36 percent more seeds from fruits on trees visited by bees than on trees from which bees were excluded. Zacharia (1951) reported partial self-incompatibility in the 'Shamouti' orange.
Hassanein and Ibrahim (1959) reported a set of 2.6 percent of flowers of the 'Khalili' orange where insects were excluded, 10.4 percent set where honey bees were present, and 7.4 percent on control (open) blooms. Krezdorn (1967) showed that the 'Hamlin', 'Parson Brown', 'Pineapple', and 'Valencia' orange size increased linearly with fruit set.
Although the results of tests are meager, some beneficial effects of pollination on oranges are indicated.
PUMMELO:
Soost (1963, 1964), working with 11 different accessions and Nauriyal (1952) concluded that the pummelo, which is grown commercially only in the Orient, is self-incompatible.
Aala (1953) conducted pollination studies on the Siamese pummelo 'Siamese 3442' in the Philippines. It produces both complete and staminate flowers. Some of the flowers were left to visits by bees, some were selfed, and some were crossed with pollen of 'Sour', 'Siaver 14', and 'Valencia' orange, and 'Batanga' mandarin. He concluded that most pummelo trees were self-incompatible and should be inter-planted with other cultivars. He stated: "Bees or other insects are necessary for proper pollination and setting of fruits, whether a cultivar is self-fertile or self-sterile." He also noticed that a higher percent set of open-pollinated flowers was obtained during off seasons than regular seasons, which may indicate that an inadequate pollinator population existed at flowering time. Of course, it could also mean there was an interaction with unfavorable environmental or physiological factors.
MANDARIN AND MANDARIN-HYBRID COMPLEX:
More research has been conducted on the pollination requirements of this group than of all the other citrus species combined, because the pollination problem is more acute. The problem has been recognized since Lacarelle and Miedzyrzecki (1937) reported that fewer fruits of the 'Clementine' mandarin set on a tree enclosed for self-pollination without bees than on 30 others enclosed with bees, either with or without pollen of other cultivars. Oppenheimer ( 1948) also showed that production of the 'Clementine' tangerine was increased when it was cross-pollinated by bees with pollen from 'Dancy', 'Temple', 'Duncan', or some other seedy cultivars. He found that the 'Valencia', 'Eureka', 'Marsh Seedless', and 'Satsuma' were ineffective pollinators.
Van Horn and Todd (1954) caged 'Clementine' ('Algerian') tangerine trees with and without pollinating insects (honey bees) and with and without bouquets of other cultivars. They showed that trees having both bees and bouquets yielded 16 times as many tangerines as those with no bees, had double the yield of those provided with bees only, and had better fruit quality. Miwa (1951) showed that the 'Hyuganatsu' mandarin was self-sterile but cross-fertile. Lynch and Mustard (1955), Coste and Gagnard (1956), Soost (1956,1963), Mustard et al. (1957), and Barbier (1964) concluded that the 'Clementine' tangerine was self-incompatible. Minessy (1959) found that grapefruit pollen was highly effective in fertilizing 'Clementines'. Blondel and Barbier ( 1963) accepted the fact that pollination increased production but stated that it also increased the pips or seeds present. Hilgeman and Rodney (1961) and Krezdorn (1970, 1972) stated that yields of 'Clementine' can be improved with bee pollination.
Hearn et al. (1969) reported that the 'Lee', 'Page', 'Nova', and 'Robinson' were self-incompatible, but Reece and Register (1961) stated that the 'Osceola' was not completely so. Furr (1964) and Moffett and Rodney (1971b) reported that cross-pollination was necessary and should be provided for 'Fairchild'. Later (1973) they reported that bees increased the yield of 'Orlando' tangelo. Also, Moffett and Rodney (1973) showed that honey bee visits increased yields of 'Orlando' tangelo. Hearn et al. (1968, 1969) and Hearn and Reece (1967), concluded that the 'Lee', 'Nova', 'Page', and 'Robinson' were all self-incompatible. Krezdorn (1972) included the 'Orlando', 'Minneola', and 'Osceola' in this group, but questioned the inclusion of the 'Lee'. Hearn et al. (1969) also reported that the 'Page' fruits were larger if they developed from 'Lee' pollen, the first well-defined metazenic effects reported in citrus.
Krezdorn and Robinson (1958) showed that crossing 'Orlando' with pollen from 'Temple' or 'Dancy' increased yields. Krezdorn (1959, 1967) also reported a significant correlation between fruit size and number of seeds of the 'Orlando'. Krezdorn (1970) stated that the 'Orlando', and 'Minneola' were self-incompatible, the 'Nova', 'Osceola', and 'Robinson' require cross-pollination, and at least in the 'Orlando' the fruit size increases with seed number. Soost (1963) reported that 'Minneola', 'Orlando', 'Osceola', and 'Robinson' were self-incompatible and that 'Lee' and 'Osceola' were suspect. Krezdorn (1970) stated that there is a growing number of self-incompatible cultivars.
The 'Satsuma' is variously referred to as 'Satsuma' mandarin (Hamakawa 1967), 'Satsuma' orange, 'Unshiu' orange (Kresdorn 1970), or 'Unshiu' tangerine (Mchedlishvili 1962). Several tests indicate that it is benefited by bees- 6.3 percent according to Zhgenti (1956); 7 to 11 percent, Zavrashvili (1967a, b). Soost (1963) recommended that the plants be set in solid blocks, although there was some risk of excessive fruit drop under some conditions. Mchedlishvili (1962) showed the importance of insect pollination. At varying distances from an apiary, he observed that near the apiary 42.5 percent of the flowers set and 14.6 percent were harvested. At 150 m from the apiary, 29.3 percent of the flowers set and 10.6 percent were harvested. At 350 m from the apiary, however, only 13.6 percent of the flowers set, and 5 percent were eventually harvested. This showed the value of having the colonies of bees near the trees to be pollinated. Although a few research workers have obtained substantially the same set of fruit from no pollination, self-pollination, and cross- pollination of 'Satsuma', the data indicate that for best production, an ample bee population is needed.
CALAMONDIN, CITRANGE, CITRON, KUMQUAT, MEYER LEMON, PONDEROSA LEMON, SOUR ORANGE, AND TRIFOLIATE ORANGE:
No pollination problems have been observed on citron, kumquat, Meyer lemon, and trifoliate orange, but there have been problems of seed set in 'Morton' end 'Troyer' citrange (Soost 1963).
In summary, insect transfer of pollen within the flower, between flowers of a cultivar, or between cultivars may be of slight value to oranges, grapefruit, and lemons. Many, if not all, of the mandarin and mandarin-hybrid complex are dependent upon or greatly benefited by insect pollination. The pummelo is dependent upon pollinating insects.
Pollinators:
The honey bee is unquestionably the primary pollinating agent of citrus; wind is not a major factor. Other pollinating insects are minor. Beekeepers readily place their colonies near citrus groves for the delicious honey the bees store. and citrus specialists frequently intimate that an ample supply of bees is always in the groves (Krezdorn 1972). Moffett and Rodney (1971a) showed this may not be true. They observed an average of slightly less than one bee per 100 blossoms at Yuma, Ariz., and concluded that the population was so low that growers of most orchards needing insect pollination should have rented colonies for that purpose. During the peak bloom, the ratio was much less than one bee per 100 flowers. Such a population would not be likely to visit individual flowers more often than about once per hour. By contrast, Mchedlishvili (1962) reported 12 bee visits per blossom per hour.
P. M. Packard (personal commun., 1972), State apiary inspector for Florida, estimated that only 220,000 colonies of honey bees were in the prime citrus area during bloom time in 1972Ñabout one colony per 4 acres. He stated distribution is not systematic, with some areas overcrowded with bees and others having practically none.
Butcher (1955) observed a zonal production effect in relation to distance of 'Minneola' tangelos from the apiary with the most marked effect 200 to 300 feet away. However, Robinson (1958) stated that honey bees worked equally well in all directions and were evenly spread to 400 feet.
Honey bees collect both pollen (if it is produced) an nectar from citrus. The flower is so constructed that if the bee has visited a previous pollen-producing flower, some pollen is likely to be transferred to the next stigma visited.
Depending upon the cultivars involved, the results of insect pollination may have no effect, increase the number of fruits set, increase the size of the fruit, cause seed to be present, increase the number of seeds, or cause an overloading of the tree.
Pollination Recommendations and Practices:
Little work has been done on the number of bee visits per flower, or the effect of cross-visitation between cultivars in relation to fruit set on citrus cultivars either dependent upon or benefited by bee pollination. Some recommendations have been made, without support or data, on colonies per acre and suggested placement.
Oppenheimer (1948) suggested bringing bees in, if they were not present, to pollinate 'Clementine' mandarins in Palestine. He did not indicate how many bees should be brought in or where the colonies should be placed.
The placement of colonies of bees in citrus orchards for pollination has often been recommended. Baldwin (1916) without concrete data to support his statement recommended five colonies per acre. Van Horn and Todd (1954) recommended one colony per acre of 'Clementines'. The Florida Agricultural Extension Service (1961) recommended the use of bees and pollenizer cultivars to increase the number and size of tangelos. Robinson and Krezdorn (1962) recommended a minimum of one strong colony of honey bees per acre of 'Orlando' tangelos. Soost (1963) stated that most commercial kinds of citrus set adequate crops without cross-pollination, but where insect pollination is needed "one hive per 2 acres may be sufficient although this is not certain." Zavrashnli (1967b) stated that one colony per 2.5 acres doubled the crop. His research dealt with 'Washington Navels', 'Novogrusinskii' lemons, and 'Unshiu' tangerines. Haynie (1968) recommended one colony per 2 acres, the colonies in groups and properly spaced, for cultivars benefiting from bee pollination.
There seems to be no uniformity in these recommendations, probably because each dealt with only one or a few cultivars in different areas of the citrus world and under different conditions.
The weakness of the recommendations is that there is no indication given as to the relative bee population per unit of flowers and also no relation is shown between colonies per acre and bees per flower.
For most efficient pollination of citrus, the meager data indicate that if bees are needed they should be distributed at the rate of one-half to five colonies per acre at about 1/4- to l/10-mile intervals. Consideration in the recommendation should be given to vigor of the colonies, other colonies in the area, acres of citrus, and other nearby plants attractive to bees, size of the citrus trees, and blooms per tree. For greatest benefit, the colonies probably should be present throughout the citrus flowering period.
Beekeepers place their bees near citrus groves for the honey they obtain; however, these colonies may not be placed strategically or in aufficient numbers for most effective pollination of all areas of a particular grove. The grower would profit most by arranging for the appropriate number of strong colonies properly placed and managed for citrus pollination although the honey obtained could be a factor in relation to locations and pollination fees. The citrus grower can gain far more than the beekeeper from such an arrangement.

Udv.
Előzmény: bombaba (6955)
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Kösz.
Másutt, az általam ismert könyvekben nem olvastam még, hogy a lime-k öntermékenyek. Remélem, valóban így van.
Előzmény: Breki1 (6960)
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Ezzel kapcsolatban még várnék tippeket, ötleteket mivel próbálkozzam

 

A kertészéktől ezt a választ kaptam a meleg helyre vitellel kapcsolatban.

 

"hogy amíg begyökeresedik addig most jobb neki a meleg- a
ti lakásotok is nagyon fog neki tetszeni!  És ha már biztosan magához tért,
esetleg meg lehet próbálni visszavinni!"

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Nah még olvasgattam dolgokat New York Times cikktől kezdve az UBC Botanical Garden fórumain át.

 

Szerintem önmegtermékenyítő és nem igényel keresztbeporzást, én legalábbis így értelmezem.

 

pl

 

"You can simply germinate them between two pieces of damp paper toweling. Place the toweling in a plastic bag and store in a warm location 80 - 90F (27 to 32C). They should germinate in 14 - 21 days. Then transplant into a small container, and place in a sunny location. Water the seedlings only in the morning, to lower any chance of stem rot due to Rhizoctonia. Limes are self fertile, therefore they do not require cross pollination. It also helps if you first soak the seeds over night in a cup of water. - Millet "

 

http://www.ubcbotanicalgarden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29756

Előzmény: bombaba (6959)
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Kösz, megnéztem minden hivatkozást, amit beraktál, de azon kívül, hogy másnál is sok virágból kevés gyümölcs lesz, és nincs életképes pollenje, a beporzásról nem találtam semmit. Igaz, vannak szakkifejezések, amit nem értek....
Előzmény: Breki1 (6958)
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Tahiti, Bearss lime, Persian lime (C. latifolia) cannot tolerate frost or cold and is mainly an ornamental variety, with fragrant blossoms and dense green foliage. The fruit is larger and oval, with a thin green rind that encases a pale green, seedless flesh. There is plenty of very acidy juice that has a tang to it of black pepper. It has been cultivated continuously in California since 1875, and is the most valuable lime for West Coast growers. It probably originated as a hybrid between the common lime and the citron. It is called Persian lime, even though it is not known in Iran, but probably came by way of there at one time, and Tahiti lime because it reached the US via that country. The Tahiti lime comes in two varieties, both grown in California: Persian, which is oval and the size of an egg, and the Bearss, which is seedless and larger than the Persian, and the only lime now cultivated in the US. Both turn greenish-yellow when mature, but have the best flavour when they are green.

 

 

 

 

 

Közben találtam egy jó kis citromos és egyébb mediterán növényes fórumot

 

http://www.citrusnorth.com/

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Nemtudom segít-e remélem igen

 

Először is egy kis olvasnivaló Persian Limes-ről (tudtommal ez a másik neve)

 

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/citrus/msg101044045418.html

 

Illetve a konkrét kérdésre ezt írják itt

 

http://www.citrustreesonline.com/bearss-seedless-lime.asp

 

"Both tree and fruit of the Bearss variety correspond closely with the Tahiti description. The flowers are devoid of viable pollen also, contain exceedingly few functional ovules, and the fruits are regularly seedless. The Bearss variety is triploid in its genetic constitution (Bacchi, 1940). Moreover, the comparatively rare seeds which occur are highly monoembryonic also. "

Előzmény: bombaba (6955)
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Ma nincsenek képek. (Tegnap este volt fórumkarbantartás, talán az tüntette el.)
Előzmény: Breki1 (6954)
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Valaki segítene?
A Tahiti limát még októberben bepakoltam a telelőbe, de nem állt le, bimbókat hoz. Találtam róla az alábbi cikket,
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/tahiti_lime.html
aminek egy mondatát nem tudom értelmezni. Nem fordítási problémám van, azt nem értem, hogy mitől kellene kötnie a virágoknak. Kellene másik fajta éppen virágzó citrusféle mellette? Idén tavasszal rengeteg virágja volt, de csak 3 db termés van rajta. Akkor sem virágzott mellette más fajta.
' The Tahiti lime flowers have no viable pollen.'
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A képek ma nektek sem jelennek meg?
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Köszi a gyors választ.

 

Igen igazad van, csak azért akartam átültetni, hogy ne tőzeges földben teleljen, de lehet ez hiba volt.

 

Közben válaszolt a kertész akitől kaptam őis hasonlóan vélekedett, viszont számomra meglepő módon azt javasolta, hogy vigyem be a lépcsőházból melegebb helyre akár szobába.

 

Megmértem a lépcsőházi hőmérsékletet estefelé 10 fok volt és megmértem a viszonyleg konyhaablakukban is ahol 17 így átraktam da hátha jobb neki.

 

A lépcsőházban sokszor tapasztaltam hogy tárva nyitva az alsó ajtó és bár az első emeleti fordulóban van lehet ezse tesz jót neki. Mondjuk az ugyanott lévő magjonc vígan elvan.

 

Igazából azért írtam ide mert nem jellemző hiánytünetei vannak, amiket a citromos könyvben is mutatnak.

Olyan a kis fácska mintha nagy melegben nem kapna vizet és egyszerűen kezdene kiszáradni. De erről szó sincs igaz nem átültetés után de kapot kis vizet két három napja és ugye ilyenkor amúgy sem szabad nagyon öntözni csak ha a földjén már látszik.

 

Valamiért az az érzésem volt, hogy ezt az esetleg sok illetve nem egyenletesen kevert wolldünger okozhatja esetleg a kint tartott föld túl hideg és esetleg így átültetve kicsit betömörítve nem elég laza és esetleg úgymond túl tömör a növénynek.

 

De féltem, hogy egy újabb átültetéssel többet ártok neki mint használok ezért kérdeztem rá.

Előzmény: kurdilaci (6952)
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Ilyenkor már nem szoktunk átültetni,nincs is értelme,mert az a cél,hogy leálljon,pihenjen a növény.A hirtelen hőmérsékletváltozásokat a citrusok nem szeretik,általában levélhullással válaszolnak rá,s lehet,hogy a túl hideg földben megfáztak a gyökerek.Most már ne csinálj vele semmit,hátha nem történt komolyabb baja,s tavasszal ki fog hajtani.A wolldüngert én öntözővízben feloldva használom,de csak szeptemberig.Talajba keverésre az osmocote granulátum való.
Előzmény: Breki1 (6951)
Breki1 Creative Commons License 2008.11.19 0 0 6951

Most énis segítséget kérnék a tapasztalt citrustermelőktől..

 

Ugye kaptam ajándékba egy kis Bergamott narancsot a vásárban, ahol

2 hete ahol kicsit hideg volt neki, de hazahozva a lépcsőházban feléleld.

 

Nagyon örültem neki, de

úgy gondoltam hétvégén napos időben még gyorsan átültetem.

 

Viszont a nyáron használt speciális keverékeimet közben már elpakolták így csak az oázisban vett kevert virágföld volt pelit folyami homok stb nem, gondoltam télre jó lesz, viszont volt ott Volldunger por alakban gondoltam hozzákeverek kicsit.

 

Pár nap múlva a felső levelek elkezdtek lekonyolni hasonlóképpen mint ahogy a vásárban volt gondoltam csak megviselte az átültetés meg a helyváltoztatás de

mostmár ilyen és nemtudom mit csináljak.

 

Lehet a Volldunger -t nem kellett volna, vagy esetleg az udvaron zacskóban tárolt föld lehet hideg vagy nedves.

 

Tanácsot kérnék a profiktól, mit javasolnak. Köszi előre is

 

 

 

 

kurdilaci Creative Commons License 2008.11.19 0 0 6950
Bepakoltam mindent a telelőhelyekre,egy gombostűt se lehetne leejteni közöttük.Ráadásul a kalamondinom most kezdett javában virágozni,ezért méhecskét is játszanom kell.
kurdilaci Creative Commons License 2008.11.19 0 0 6949

Gratulálok a sikeres oltáshoz,valóban nagy élmény.

válaszok a kérdéseidre:

-A citromhajtás könnyen és jól gyökeresedik,de nem most van az ideális dugványozási időszak.

-Lehet és kell is metszeni a citrusféléket,erre leginkább tavasszal kell sort keríteni,s akkor a levágott hajtásokat meg is tudod gyökereztetni.Metszés nélkül túl magas lesz a citromfa,vékony lehajló ágai ,gyenge váza lesz,felkopaszodik,kiritkul.

-A grapefruit természetesen átoltható citrommal.

Előzmény: norbertos (6947)
kurdilaci Creative Commons License 2008.11.19 0 0 6948
Én a kumkvatot ajánlanám,nem nő nagyra,mutatós,s nagyon finom termése van.Bár lakásban nem igazán érzik jól magukat a citrusfélék,télen pedig különösen nem,ha túl meleg a lakás,és kevés a fény.Nyáron teraszra,kertbe kitéve sokkal egészségesebb,szebb növényed lesz.Ha mindenképp lakásban akarod tartani,akkor inkább a kalamondint ajánlom,minél közelebb az ablakhoz.
Előzmény: Estike26 (6945)
norbertos Creative Commons License 2008.11.18 0 0 6947

Sziasztok!

 

Van egy citromfám amit kb 5 éve oltottam be. Idén termett először, meg is örültem ám neki rendesen. Most gyönyörű új hajtásokat hoz, bár kicsit féloldalas.

Kérédseim:

 - lehet az új hajáts úgy gyökereztetni hogy vízbe vagy földbe dugom?

 - mennyire tűri a metszést a citromfa

 - valamint egy  vad grapefruit fát ugye be lehet oltani citrommal? (Hiszen citrusféle)

 

Ksözönöm előre is a segítséget!

 

de-guky Creative Commons License 2008.11.16 0 0 6946

 

 

Kb. 3 kg citrom termett. Talán az egész elég lesz egy teára..:)

Estike26 Creative Commons License 2008.11.14 0 0 6945
Fogalmam sincs milyen fajták vannak, csak valamilyen citrusfélét szeretnék, ami lakásban tartható, nem nő túl nagyra, de termése legyen. Végül is minden citrusféle szóba jöhet. Esetleg tudtok valamilyen fajtát ajánlani? Köszi
bombaba Creative Commons License 2008.11.14 0 0 6944
Szerintem is várd meg a tavaszt a vásárlással, megúszol egy teleltetést, ami mindig rizikós. De ha mindenáron most akarsz venni, itt egy webshop címe:
http://www.cserkert.hu/index.php?mode=webshop&kat_id=14&limit=0&rem=1.%20oldal
Előzmény: Estike26 (6942)
Breki1 Creative Commons License 2008.11.13 0 0 6943

Tudnék mondani ötleteket, de nem írtad merre lax illetve pontosan milyen fajtát szeretnél.

 

Amúgy biztos ebben az időszakban akarsz rendelni?

Előzmény: Estike26 (6942)
Estike26 Creative Commons License 2008.11.13 0 0 6942
Segítség! Szeretnék rendelni valahonnan egy cserepes citromfát. Hiába keresgélek a neten, nem lettem okosabb. Ha valaki tudna segíteni megköszönném,
ragusa. Creative Commons License 2008.11.11 0 0 6941

  Egy kosza otlet , de nem tolem ))) hanem a hugomtol szarmazik.  Mivel van egy hajtato hazikom , es nem fütöm ,  az az otlete  hogy a arammal mukodo agymelegito paplant  ''lepedőt'' lehetne a cserepek ala behelyezni alulrol futes  celjabol.

melegtalp  gyanant .

 Meg nem probaltam ,  keveset fogyaszt allitolag , eddig otlet szintjen maradt .Talan van valaki aki tudja hasznositani .

bendó Creative Commons License 2008.11.11 0 0 6940
A magok frissességével nekem is vannak kétségeim, ráadásul én elég későn rendeltem. Nem a banán miatt, de valószínű ez volt az utolsó nagyüzemi ültetésem. A 4-5 hónapos külön fűtés, világítás és maga a „keltető” összeállítása is pénz.  Kurdlaci és jozso48 leveleit olvasva át kell gondolni mit, milyen fajtát és mennyit gyűjtögetünk be. A citrusok, leánderek teleltetését,eddig a garázsba meg tudtam oldani, de az idén - a kezdők balgaságával – sok növényt sikerült beszereznem. Szerencse, hogy ezek többsége „télálló”. Az időjárás még kegyes volt hozzánk, de ha bejönnek a nagy mínuszok, be kell nekem is indítanom a fűtést a fóliába.

 

Előzmény: marimama51 (6939)

Ha kedveled azért, ha nem azért nyomj egy lájkot a Fórumért!